When's the right time for freestyle?

Grade Zero · Post by **Grade Zero** » 16 Nov 2007 10:08

I freestyled at less than 20 kicks.

I think just as long as you don't neglect the basic kicks, you'll be fine with learning stalls at the same time.

Iron Clad Ben · Post by **Iron Clad Ben** » 16 Nov 2007 14:17

I'd be curious to see what some of the top level players think on this subject. I heard that there used to be a secret BAP-only forum on flipsider where they said you had to be able to do something like 250 inside kicks before you move on to stalls.

Personally I voted for 100+. It forces you to learn concepts with a certain level of mastery before you go on to other things. Once you learn toe stalls you want to be able to a lot of them consistently before you move on to legovers and mirages. It's building a foundation. If you don't have the discipline to do that in the very beginning, you're going to have a hard time doing it later on.

monkeybilla · Post by **monkeybilla** » 18 Nov 2007 19:27

i say 50 -100 kicks so they have controll but dont get bored and quit the sport. i started free style when i got 50 kicks.

bdams19 · Post by **bdams19** » 20 Nov 2007 09:45

I probably get bored and stop paying attention and drop before I get to 100 right now

ObArA'BaRs · Post by **ObArA'BaRs** » 21 Nov 2007 08:40

i voted 50- 100.

Before freestyle I was able to hit a rosta hack 100 times.
It may have been mostly all the right foot doin all the work, but w/e.

crazylegs32 · Post by **crazylegs32** » 24 Nov 2007 21:21

100+ even that doesnt seem like much control. I can do 50 clippers no prob but Im still convinced my clippers suck.
Its important to get accuracy down pat before you start jumping around or else you will get injured and its downhill from there...

Mirage · Post by **Mirage** » 12 Dec 2007 10:39

I think most people who are new to the sport should learn those 25-50 kicks steady, but after that kicking could be warmup and a part of the training. I think many people would, like someone already said here, would lose interest in the sport if they had to go on with the kicks for too long (if they dont like kicking).

krawallier · Post by **krawallier** » 13 Dec 2007 13:00

Moxie wrote:I couldn't kick it ten times before I started to learn toe stalls. I couldn't even kick it 5 times consistently.

I hate the idea of someone not being taught how to do a toe stall if they can't get x-many kicks. That's probably because I would have hated that when I was learning. I don't think I would have continued if someone told me I had to do improve by x-much in order to learn something else basic to try.

I was someone who got bored or really frustrated if i tried one thing for too long, so I always liked having options for stuff to try/practice. Inside kicks, toe stalls, inside stalls.

ville · Post by **ville** » 14 Dec 2007 00:48

We had to teach Juho how to kick after he was almost guiltless so he could have short kicking breaks in his routines.

EoghanMcDowell · Post by **EoghanMcDowell** » 14 Dec 2007 08:20

I have a friend who can do 2000+ kicks, his high score is around 2700. But every time i try to get him into freestyle he just puts it off. He doesn't want a "competitive spirit" to ruin the fun of playing, and i guess he's just not interested. Oh well, i just know he would make a great freestyler.

Benzilla · Post by **Benzilla** » 14 Dec 2007 12:09

When i got my record of 197, dropped because of a freaking wasp flying into my face, i was exhausted. It felt like an eternity. After that i was like, Now onto some stalls.

EoghanMcDowell · Post by **EoghanMcDowell** » 14 Dec 2007 16:33

dropped because of a freaking wasp flying into my face

I hate wasps and bees and all those stinging insects, they suck.

Grade Zero · Post by **Grade Zero** » 15 Dec 2007 09:10

EoghanMcDowell wrote:
dropped because of a freaking wasp flying into my face
I hate wasps and bees and all those stinging insects, they suck.

yup, they suck nectar.

Guest_1 · Post by **Guest_1** » 16 Dec 2007 12:11

when they get lavers!

a stall is freestyle it's hacky sack with style when they want to learn tricks and have a real interest is the time to get them lavers and they can be serious and learn freestyle

mannel rox · Post by **mannel rox** » 16 Dec 2007 20:46

I have this goal to get 100 consecutives before I really start doing freestyle and I must say, I am having a hard time..

Benzilla · Post by **Benzilla** » 17 Dec 2007 14:45

don't give up...When i was going for 100 kicks i got 197 instead and that was after 3-4 months of just kicking! I was glad as hell.

frozenwalkway · Post by **frozenwalkway** » 17 Dec 2007 19:24

when i first saw the title of the thread i went "ANYTIME!" until i saw the polls. i say 0 - 25. hell even 0. like my friend used to play soccer and he could not inside kick to save his life but he had a decent toe stall so he just started with that.

the Executioner · Post by **the Executioner** » 17 Dec 2007 19:34

I could do 5,000 kicks before I learned the toe stall, but I'm an obsessive extremist, and I wouldn't recommend that. The more you can do, however, the better your overall control and string length will be, in my opinion. I'd say if someone can do 50 kicks in a row that'd be a decent foundation to begin freestyling. I'd recommend continuing consecutive practice even after you begin freestyling...it'll only improve your game.
I stopped at 10,000.

gMoney · Post by **gMoney** » 17 Dec 2007 20:12

I stopped at 10,000.

Lol, I see you stopped early

This thread makes me want to go and drill kicks. I think I can get like 160 something. I agree that the more kicks you do the better your string length.

With all this information cumulating in my brain right now, I think that you can't really say how many kicks someone can do before they start to freestyle. I think it's completely up to them. I don't think anyone can set a number, because even now I still don't feel like I'm in complete control of the bag when I'm kicking it for a long period of time.

frozenwalkway · Post by **frozenwalkway** » 21 Dec 2007 20:59

10000 lol i think that would annihilate a footbag shoe.

When's the right time for freestyle?

How many kicks until freestyle?