Jeremy O'Wheel's Freestyle World Record List

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Post by Rieferman » 16 Jun 2009 10:31

This list is no more relevant than Lonn's if you are providing such strict criteria.
I disagree. The list is fun to (literally) watch grow, and to be able to see each record change over time. It's a motivator to certain players I'm sure.

Jeremy did a nice job explaining his vision, he's doing all the work that I can see, and lots of people are digging the concept. So I'm cool with just rolling with that vision personally. It's easy to point out deficiencies in any project, but in this case, I think the good outweighs the bad so I'm just focusing on that.
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Post by FlexThis » 16 Jun 2009 12:32

It is fun to watch, but only as relevant as the videos being submitted.

I gotz recordz too ... but I don't have an HD cam and validating pros to watch, etc...

So for now I'll be happy to be a part of Lonn's list. And one day (yeah right) I'll make it out to a tourney and bust them out in person.

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Post by C-Fan » 16 Jun 2009 13:42

FlexThis wrote:Seems a bit hokey to me not to include an actual World Record, but whatever.
I think you'd understand the point of this list a lot better if you read the first post in the thread.
FlexThis wrote:Guess I will go out and film 8 hours of consecutive inside kicks to prove my point.
I'm sorry, but what is your point? This is a video-verified list of standard tricks. You don't like it because it requires video verification, and that's too strict a criteria for you?
FlexThis wrote:This list is no more relevant than Lonn's if you are providing such strict criteria.
1. Lon Smith. Lonn Irish (now Vo).
2. Really Damon? You really don't think a video-verified list is "no more relevant" than a list which is based on people's good (or bad) intentions? With Jeremy's list you can see the record being hit. With Lon's, you have to trust somebody's word that it was hit, and hit cleanly. For a long record, can you be absolutely sure you counted it right? With video you can. With a trick that is easy to "the," can you trust that some Russian kid you've never heard of really hit them all clean? With video you can. Just look at the page in this thread where Ian posted Phil Morrison's attempt at reverse swirling symp whirls. If there wasn't video, the record would have been reported as five. That's how it would appear on Lon's list. But since we have video, we were able to see that some were "the." If I emailed Lon today and said I hit 20 paradon rakes in a row, he'd put it on the list. What's stopping somebody else from mailing him saying they hit 22? Who would be able to say they were all clean? Again, a video list wins here too.
FlexThis wrote:I understand your point and what you are intending. Just not very valid considering that there are governing bodies for this outside of footbag to provide all the necessities that you are trying to enforce.
I have no idea what you are talking about.
FlexThis wrote:That said - anyone that would actually like a record published for the World to recognize outside of footbag will have to prove it again in person.
Does anybody "outside of footbag" care about any of our records? This doesn't seem like a very valid concern.
FlexThis wrote:Otherwise - these are pointless given that the video could indeed be faked or edited. Not that I believe anyone would try this given the amount of flak they would receive from the community.
1. You sound like those people on YouTube who accuse footbag vids of being fake.
2. Really, I challenge you to fake or edit a world record attempt. I doubt anybody could do this well enough that we wouldn't notice.
3. You discount this possibility yourself in your second sentence, so obviously even you don't believe in your first sentence.
FlexThis wrote:I gotz recordz too ... but I don't have an HD cam and validating pros to watch, etc...
This reminds me of this fish that I caught once, when I was on a date with a supermodel...
FlexThis wrote:but I don't have an HD cam and validating pros to watch, etc...
Every video I've posted of myself in this thread was shot with a crappy digital camera. Most people have one of these for taking normal pictures, and if not, I'd be amazed if you don't know somebody who has one. As for "validating pros," well, that's the beauty of this whole list: you don't need them. The video validates it for you.
FlexThis wrote:So for now I'll be happy to be a part of Lonn's list.
Ooh, the timing on this isn't great, but...I actually beat all of your consecutive records. By one. I'm mailing Lon now so he can make the changes to his list. Sorry about that. I'd show you video, but it sounds like you aren't into that.

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Post by FlexThis » 16 Jun 2009 14:17

I find it funny how serious you think you are Ken. Then you bash me point for point. Fair enough - now allow me to retort.

My point is that there is already a governing body for World Records (Guinness Book of World Records) Google it!!!

The World consecutive Kicking record took a third of a day to execute. How boring to watch. I'll pop the popcorn.

I can't see the bag in half the crappy digital video you shot. So verifying the cleanliness of your strings is a joke. So even though there is video to watch - it is crap - you said so yourself, so how can I take that any more seriously than if you said you did it?

I meant Lon Smith - I have only met Lonn Irish once and she is very nice.

My concerns about validity outside the sport is that as long as we stay inside the closet so-to-speak, then how will anyone know what the hell it is we do in footbag? By having it validated by a legitimate source, we fit in with society. Or are we a cult? I sure hope not.

I am not upset that I don't have a video camera. I doubt you could actually break any of my recordz because my competitive style is so different from anyone's I have ever seen. Even on video!!!

What I see as a problem is the fact that actual verified records even with video are being left off this so called "World's Records" list. Even though it is a FACT that they are true World Records and not just a compilation of modified videos.

Call it "Modified's Record List" instead - World makes it sound like there is none higher, which is obviously not true.

I truly don't believe anyone could fake a video - I was just reiterating what Jeremy had suggested about using higher quality HD equipment in the future.

Why don't you take a deep breath, excel and release......

I will try to get Richie's cam to take some records. I would love to show you and the community some cool shit.

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Post by C-Fan » 16 Jun 2009 17:41

FlexThis wrote:Why don't you take a deep breath, excel and release......
Excel at what exactly? Making fun of your posts? Excel at putting my money where my mouth is by making vids of records? Or were you making the name of the program excel into a verb, like "Ken, why don't you take a deep breath, make a spreadsheet, and then release?"

Sorry, I'm having too much fun. In all seriousness though, are you proposing that instead of having a video-verified list compiled by Jeremy, we call Guiness and ask them to verify records for every footbag trick? Please tell me that isn't what you meant...but then, what other conclusion can I draw from your last post?

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Post by max » 16 Jun 2009 18:00

OK so the word World is causing a problem.

People are not going to be contacting Guiness to attempt to break the ducking toe stall record anytime soon Damon, despite the fact that yes Guiness do indeed have the infrastructure, credibility etc. to validate these records.

still I applaud Jeremy for going ahead with this initiative and I might even concede a point to Damon and sugggest he calls it "Jeremy O'Wheel's list of standard footbag trick records on video, crappy or otherwise, with no official World Record Body sanctionning". On the same page and as Ken tried to point out, Lon's list could very well be renamed "Lon Smith's list of numbers mailed to him by people on the Internet".
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Post by Jeremy » 16 Jun 2009 18:16

Although I disagree, I do appreciate the criticisms Damon, and I'll keep them in mind. The stuff I said about only accepting good high quality videos in the future is just a dream, it's not really something I have any set plan to do, it's just what would happen in my ideal world. I would also send out certificates to people who set world records.

I do want to encourage all criticism though, both of the policies I take and the specific details on the records. Just as Ken accidentally confused himself with Erik Chan, which many other people have also done over the years I'm sure, no doubt I've made numerous errors in that list and I'm relying on everybody who views the list to notice and let me know. I may count incorrectly. I may link to the wrong video. I may mess up the job's notation of a move or even give it the wrong name. Especially I might count records that aren't actually clean. If you would have done something differently please let me know. Even if I decide that you're wrong and keep it up there, it's still better to address these concerns than ignore them, and having the list subject to rigorous scepticism will increase its integrity and validity.


On the subject of policy, I've decided to drop the eclipse and butterfly kick records. Although I accept that they're very old and long standing footbag moves, I've decided that they're not common enough today to be included and not because of their difficulty. I would like this to be ultimately a list of records that lots of people have attempted and aren't good enough to beat, rather than of moves that only the record holder has ever attempted. Although I recognise that in these early days this is clearly a list of the latter, I'm trying to shape it so that in the future it meets my vision. I am, of course, open to arguments of why these moves should be included, and they're certainly borderline inclusion, but I decided it was better to make the tough decisions now and err on the side of a small list. On this matter, if there are other moves on the list that you think shouldn't be included, please also let me know.

In particular I am unsure of the inclusion of pixie tap (sailing ss mirage). It's hard for me to judge the difficulty of this move because it's pretty easy for me, so I'm unsure if its worthy of being on the list with the argument that it's rare because of the difficulty. Although I'm sure plenty of people have hit it before (and please don't give me a list or examples of other people doing it), I can't recall ever seeing or hearing of anybody else hitting it. If this is the case, it probably doesn't belong on the list.

Of course the other issue here is that the components of the move are very common. Pixie set is one of the two most dominate uptime dex sets in freestyle, and tap is definitely an inclusion worthy record. Perhaps moves that are made up of common components should be included? I don't know, and would love to hear other people's opinions, although since it is *my* record, and *my* record list, I'll keep it up at least until people demand it be taken down :lol:


Ok so updating records for today as follows (same as yesterday);

Updated as given;

Gyro clipper
DATW (out) (I put this down as 11 but had some doubt about the last one - would appreciate a second or more opinions)
Sidewalk
Ducking butterfly
DLO
Eggbeater
Gyro Clipper
Pixie ss illusion
reverse swirl
Smudge
Spinning clipper
Symp Eggbeater
Stepping Clipper
DATW (in)
Stepping Clipper
Inspinning Osis
Symposium Pixie
Tomahawk (nice video, didn't like the pauses through the record though)
Stepping Clipper
Far Symp Reverse Whirl
Scorpion's Tail (found date too - or at least month).

Updated amended;

Dyno; put as 42 rather than listed as 41 - see Byrin's comments in his post. I decided the last one was clearly fine. Also, lol you love your car so much don't you? :lol:

Janiwalker; The date at the start of the video says July 19, 2006 - so I put this down instead of August 2006. Impressive record.

Not amended

Drifter; (Ken 25 - this is the same video as you posted the day before :P)
Same Side Symple Swirl; (Ryan Thomas 10) I don't think it's necessary to have separate records for symple moves.





So I'm half way down page 7 - the next record I'm up to is Jim's Superfly record.

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Post by C-Fan » 16 Jun 2009 19:09

A few quick points:

1. The drifter record I posted on the first page was 24, but I cursed at the end of it, so I ended up editing it out for the one with 25. I figured though that if I just edited my original post, the new record might be missed.

2. I posted the reverse whirl record as Erik Chan cause I thought it would be a funny joke. I guess it wasn't. :lol:

3. Off the top of my head I feel like I can name a few prominent players who use eclipse (Vasek, Flash) frequently. Butterfly kick is less popular now than when I started (eric wulff, Tuan), but I feel like both of these tricks are more common in shred than pixie tap. I feel like I've seen more people hit sailing ss dlo than I have pixie taps. I'm not going to lobby hard either way, and I recognize it's Jeremy's list, so that's fine. That said, it does seem a bit odd to include records for obscure tricks Jeremy does, and not for other tricks which are considered non-bail guiltless tricks (like, not double spinning toe, etc).

4. I think with certain tricks, symple vs non symple is a very important distinction. Normal swirl vs symple swirl are two very different tricks. For most people, one is harder than the other.

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Post by Ian Brill » 16 Jun 2009 19:37

"Boo" x2, for the decision to exclude eclipses and butterfly kicks. I think these are two situations where I feel (subjectively) inclined to disregard the entirety of your thread based on the your subjective omission of two tricks that I find quite common.

Both of these tricks are common throughout the East Coast. I suggest you reverse your decision, but then I probably won't look at this thread again anytime soon- which is a shame because I have been REALLY digging it, but now I realize that I have been placing worth in a project that is ultimately governed by your own subjectivity. It seems like an irrational investment of my time or emotions.

But, ftr, C-Fan ftw :arrow: I am startled by how much I disagree with Damon on virtually every front (I often find myself agreeing with him). Thank you, Ken, for basically voicing my opinion. Also, the crack about the fish got me rolling.

Good bye thread of questionable merit and subjective omissions yet universal implications.

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Post by colefieldhouse22 » 16 Jun 2009 20:02

C-Fan wrote: 2. I posted the reverse whirl record as Erik Chan cause I thought it would be a funny joke. I guess it wasn't. :lol:
It made me giggle.
Ian wrote:Both of these tricks are common throughout the East Coast
I agree that these tricks are fairly common.
Jeremy wrote: Although I accept that they're very old and long standing footbag moves, I've decided that they're not common enough today to be included and not because of their difficulty.
What are you considering "common enough" to be included on this list?

Anyway, you rock for putting this together.
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Post by Jeremy » 16 Jun 2009 20:16

Re point 2; I thought it might be a joke. I definitely found it hilarious, regardless of whether it was deliberate or not.

Re point 3; Despite my joke in my last post, I'm leaning fairly strongly towards removing the pixie tap record, as I think my post suggested, even if I decide to include the eclipse and butterflyer records.

Regarding what you've said, I'm leaning towards including eclipse now - I'll take your word that it's frequently hit in some circles. Unfortunately I can only form opinions based on what I see, not what other people see until they tell me, but I'm certainly happy to take your word on it. We do need to agree on the job's notation though. I'm still sceptical about butterflyer and other flyers.

I resent the suggestions regarding pixie tap in the records, especially after I said;
I can't recall ever seeing or hearing of anybody else hitting it. If this is the case, it probably doesn't belong on the list.
Maybe you posted before you read that comment? I don't know, but it certainly sounds like you're making a completely unfair assertion.



Re; Ian Brill. I respond very badly to threats, ultimatums and blackmail. I hope you do indeed never look at this topic again. I've made every effort to be as open as possible about every decision I've made and encourage as much criticism as possible. Having worked on many different projects with footbaggers over the 8 years that I've been playing, I've learnt that most people are apathetic and if you ask for opinions on an issue, you'll often not get a response. For example when I first suggested this record list, I asked for people to email me to help out. Not only did I not get any offers of help, I didn't even get a single reply to say that anybody liked the idea. Obviously people do like the idea, they just didn't care enough at the time to say so. With this in mind, my policy regarding footbag projects is to make all decisions very quickly myself and to go along with them, but to be as open and public as I can be about these decisions and give people the chance to put forward convincing arguments. This way, decisions get made despite people's apathy and we get progress without having to wait or rely on other people. You probably have no idea how frustrating it can be to put lots of work into writing long documents, and then having nobody respond to you at all, even to say that they don't care what you've done. This project is not going to be held back by that.

Of course you are right - this is my list and I am the supreme overlord, dictator and king of it. If you feel like you've put forward good arguments for your case and I'm on some kind of power trip there is absolutely nothing stopping you creating your own list, run however you like.

That said, if all you can say is; "I don't like your decisions, so I'm not going to participate at all," then I'm going to disregard your opinion completely. In this case, I'm already leaning towards at least half of what you want, but because Ken put forward reasoned and intelligent arguments - certainly not because of what you said.

Let me make a general comment to everybody. If you want to express yourself about this project in this topic, if you can't follow standard etiquette for civilised public discourse your opinion will most likely be ignored or ridiculed, even if the gist of what you're saying is correct. If you don't know what standard etiquette for civilised public discourse is, try your best to guess, or do some research.


Re; Ken's point 4.
I agree the tricks are different and I considered that point. I also considered the significant difference between something like a crispy eggbeater and an original eggbeater. I think these are valid arguments. I also wonder whether these moves mentioned count as different uniques in shred 30. The rules are far from clear. However that said, one of the things that annoyed me about Lon's record list was the huge array of very rarely if ever hit moves, and the endless variations of moves that were essentially the same thing. I don't want that with this list. At the same time, I don't want to discount tricks that are genuinely different and worth including. I definitely recognise that symple swirl and normal swirl are fairly different in technique and quite common. There is a line somewhere and we need to decide where it is. I guess at this stage I'm leaning towards including symple swirl as a separate record, however I'd like to hear more opinions about it.


So to summarise; this is how I'm leaning on the decisions people have discussed;

1. Including eclipse once job's notation is decided.

2. Not including butterflyer.

3. Not including pixie tap.

4. Including symple swirl.


I would very much appreciate other people's opinions on these 4 issues (and other issues of course).

edit; I just wanted to add that pixie tap was like the third record to go up. I put it up because it was a record I had a video of, and at that time there were basically no other records. At that stage I felt that the more videos I had the better for the project, regardless of the moves. This is also why the toe stall record is up, despite the video being broken up in to 5 separate videos - which doesn't really follow the rules.

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Post by Jeremy » 16 Jun 2009 20:32

colefieldhouse22 wrote:
What are you considering "common enough" to be included on this list?
Um, the tricks that are on the list?

I think tricks that you can expect to see hit in most serious shred circles, allowing for difficulty. Obviously I'm fairly isolated when it comes to shred circles, and the only person I play with regularly hits butterflyers and eclipses in pretty much every run (along with head stalls and other tricks that would be rejected), which is why I post my decisions and ask for other people's opinions, because I'm not in a great position to be deciding what those tricks are.
Anyway, you rock for putting this together.
Cheers :)

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Post by Ian Brill » 16 Jun 2009 20:45

One last post on this thread for clarification purposes, since I made the mistake of reading your response.

You, Jeremy, are too easy to upset. There is no blackmail or ultimatums or threats. Being such a fan of logic you should be able to reconcile this.

I am a mod. I was keeping an eye on this thread because it has received a lot of attention and has great content. Seemed like something that I wanted to protect from juvenile flames, etc. But, I will not be as ambitious (in regards to this thread) as I was, because this thread seems to have an ambiguous nature. Or should I say, I question its nature. Is it a power trip in the guise of an altruistic project? Possibly. But, I am not going to stick around long enough to find out.

The reason I opened my mouth, rather than just ignore what I was troubled by is because I do care a lot about this sport and the community.
I personally think that the subjective element of this thread is something to be concerned with. Not as a mod but as a member of the community.

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Post by Jeremy » 16 Jun 2009 20:59

How can the subjective nature be addressed? Should we have a vote on every record? Should we form some kind of committee? How many votes would be needed to include a record? Do we need time to debate each record before starting the vote?

I would love to hear a constructive solution to that perceived problem, and remember, when I asked for volunteers to help me on this project, nobody responded, so I went ahead with it by myself.

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Post by Colin » 16 Jun 2009 21:24

1. +1 to the "I see eclipse basically every time I play" pile.

But, eclipse is a jobs buster and I don't think you'll get anywhere with it. For one, it's caught and released on different surfaces (flying inside, x-bdy) and so far as I know there isn't any way to indicate this in jobs. Second, I don't believe there's a dex in eclipse.

Honestly, I found jobs to be an anachronism on your list. Lots of the moves on that list came about after jobs fell out of common use.

2. Flyers in general (eg: eclipse) are making a comeback, at least around here. And besides that, even if they can be described as being 'out of fashion', they certainly aren't obscure. I think it should definitely be included.

3. I was going to argue that it should be included, but maybe this opens the door for all sorts of contrived records like, say, pixie inspinning far toe?

I do think that pixie tap is a legit non-bail move, and while lots of people can do it, they don't because if they did it'd stand out like a sore thumb as the only sailing trick in their game. This is a shame because you're being robbed of a record where you could probably crush anyone else's effort. (Kreg?)

4. I agree that this is sufficiently distinct from vanilla swirl.
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Post by Jeremy » 16 Jun 2009 21:54

Thanks for the intelligent response Colin.

1. So you're saying I should get rid of the jobs for all the tricks? I guess I could just put it up without jobs too, although I'm not such a fan of that.

2. I guess another question to ask is; "do we need world records for every single move?" One of my motivations for this was a feeling that Lon's list was too big - which is one of the reasons for my restrictions. How big do we want this list to be? 100 tricks total? Smaller? Larger? The thing about the Guinness records is that they have millions of records but they only publish the ones that they think will interest people - they choose not to publish far more records than they choose to publish. This isn't some kind of library, and I think keeping it appealing should be a priority. People can always keep track of other records themselves if they like. That said, it seems the view is certainly to have the eclipse record on there, and I'll add it next update, with or without jobs. Butterflyer I'm still not sure about.

3. As the power hungry dictator of this list, I assure you that no record ending with the only downtime component being toe stall will ever be on this record list, apart from single toe stalls. Pixie inspinning far toe stall and the like are specifically banned from this list while I have any say in it.

I'm really not particularly interested in holding records myself. In fact I'm a tad concerned about the issue of having my own records on my own list. I put up two video records that are a few years old when I first put up the list because I felt at that point any video records would add credibility to the list - which otherwise would have been blank - I felt like I needed some videos to get the ball rolling. If I wanted records, there are plenty I could set, especially right now. Look at all the standard tricks that have no record at all, and for stuff like magellan, my flipside personal record is more than double the current video world record, never mind my strong side (which is a lot stronger) - I have a video camera and there's really nothing stopping me from setting lots of world records if I want - but of course there's that issue of putting my own records on my own record list, which I don't feel comfortable with - as you can see with the criticism it's already generated even after I said I was probably going to remove the record. So I'll keep my pixie switch record up there for the time being, but probably remove the pixie tap record, and I don't have any plans on setting any new records myself. That pixie tap record isn't even close to my personal best - it was just the best attempt I could remember on a video of me.

Sorry, that was a little rambling :P

4. Is that a joke or is vanilla swirl the name of a trick?

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Post by Rieferman » 17 Jun 2009 06:25

I think a longer list. I feel that some players may find motivation in trying to beat records on the list. So something that is currently uncommon could very well become more common partially because it's on the list. That's a little bit pie in the sky by me, but there's no harm in allowing flexibility and trimming later.

Also on the couple of items that were specifically mentioned above.. Flyers and eclipse would stay on the list in my opinion. Although symple is different than regular style, I wouldn't separate them for this list personally - that's splitting hairs for this particular purpose.
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Post by FlexThis » 17 Jun 2009 08:35

Excel at what exactly?
... at relaxing LOL - Yeah I can't spell for shit.

For clarity @Ken - I do not expect people to contact Guinness, however, if say a 6 time World Champion footbagger happens to have a Guinness World Record and it's on video (regardless if they cut away at any point during the filming of it), it should be included as a legitimate WORLD record. It will (if not already) be published in paperback. None of these current videos can make that claim.

That is all!

If it doesn't meet Jeremy's criteria, I am ok with that as well. It is not my call, only my opinion.

As for you posting a bunch of records, Awesome!!! I enjoyed them all (despite the quality) and applaud your efforts. I also applaud Jeremy's efforts for making this list in the first place.

Again - I would love to contribute to the list eventually given a photo/video opportunity.

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Post by Colin » 17 Jun 2009 09:20

1. Personally, my brain shuts down for the 16th of a second that it takes for my eyes to pan from the move nickname to the number. I consider myself a footbag nomenclature geek, but I'm still not even slightly interested in reading the Job's. Is anyone? I dunno. Still useful for new players learning to 'see' footbag accurately.

In any case, I'm sure that eclipse can't be Job'sed (new favourite verb).

2. I agree with Bob that a bigger list -> more things to shoot for -(maybe)> greater participation. I'm not sure I see the 'cost' of a big list. People will always know that the ripwalk record is more prestigious than the stepping same clipper record, and that people have to actually film these records will probably be enough to keep it from spiralling
crazily out of control.

And particularly, wrt butterflyer, dragonfly, flying clipper, lots of people would consider these to be more important freestyle moves than the toe or clipper delay. These people are hacky sackers, but that's where a lot of us came from, and even if they were completely out of use they should be included for historical/sentimental reasons alone.

3. The only reason you shouldn't have your own record on this list is the conflict of interests created by a move lies in the 'grey' area between inclusion and exclusion from the list. If you lean toward 'bigger list', then this becomes less of an issue. Cutting you from participating would be a shame, because you're obviously interested in setting some strong records.

4. I meant vanilla swirl as in a regular swirl. But honestly I think I agree with Bob now. Dunno, borderline call.
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Post by C-Fan » 17 Jun 2009 10:45

1. First off, props to Jeremy for making this list. Even if it ends up being smaller or larger than people would like, it's still a marked improvement over the old list, simply because it is video-verified. I think this is one of the most productive things to come out of modified in a long time.

2. What is the thinking behind including Job's notation for each trick? Is it to provide a description of the trick for people who have trouble visually figuring out what's going on? Is it to help beginner's understand the components of the trick? I understood the need for job's on the last list, because you couldn't actually see the trick. Yet another advantage of the video list is that you don't need a notation to describe the trick, since you can simply watch it.

3. If I was counting a shred30, I would count symple and non-symple swirls as unique, just as I would count eggbeater and eggplant as unique. That said, I'm not sure I would count symple blender as unique from blender. Hmm... I guess I can see it either way. As Jeremy points out though, this isn't super clear in Shred30 rules either, which is another thing that should be addressed, though not in this thread.

4. As Colin pointed out, I think Jeremy posting video records in his own list only becomes a problem if he is being overly selective about what goes on the list.

5. I would prefer it if Jeremy posted a bunch of video records, especially if it can make the list longer or more robust. This list is only as good as the records on it, and if we can make entries stronger, the list gets better. In my ideal world, every record on this list would be hard to break, and the list would be made up of a bunch of different people around the world who are particularly good at certain concepts.

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