Re point 2; I thought it might be a joke. I definitely found it hilarious, regardless of whether it was deliberate or not.
Re point 3; Despite my joke in my last post, I'm leaning fairly strongly towards removing the pixie tap record, as I think my post suggested, even if I decide to include the eclipse and butterflyer records.
Regarding what you've said, I'm leaning towards including eclipse now - I'll take your word that it's frequently hit in some circles. Unfortunately I can only form opinions based on what I see, not what other people see until they tell me, but I'm certainly happy to take your word on it. We do need to agree on the job's notation though. I'm still sceptical about butterflyer and other flyers.
I resent the suggestions regarding pixie tap in the records, especially after I said;
I can't recall ever seeing or hearing of anybody else hitting it. If this is the case, it probably doesn't belong on the list.
Maybe you posted before you read that comment? I don't know, but it certainly sounds like you're making a completely unfair assertion.
Re; Ian Brill. I respond very badly to threats, ultimatums and blackmail. I hope you do indeed never look at this topic again. I've made every effort to be as open as possible about every decision I've made and encourage as much criticism as possible. Having worked on many different projects with footbaggers over the 8 years that I've been playing, I've learnt that most people are apathetic and if you ask for opinions on an issue, you'll often not get a response. For example when I first suggested this record list, I asked for people to email me to help out. Not only did I not get any offers of help, I didn't even get a single reply to say that anybody liked the idea. Obviously people do like the idea, they just didn't care enough at the time to say so. With this in mind, my policy regarding footbag projects is to make all decisions very quickly myself and to go along with them, but to be as open and public as I can be about these decisions and give people the chance to put forward convincing arguments. This way, decisions get made despite people's apathy and we get progress without having to wait or rely on other people. You probably have no idea how frustrating it can be to put lots of work into writing long documents, and then having nobody respond to you at all, even to say that they don't care what you've done. This project is not going to be held back by that.
Of course you are right - this is my list and I am the supreme overlord, dictator and king of it. If you feel like you've put forward good arguments for your case and I'm on some kind of power trip there is absolutely nothing stopping you creating your own list, run however you like.
That said, if all you can say is; "I don't like your decisions, so I'm not going to participate at all," then I'm going to disregard your opinion completely. In this case, I'm already leaning towards at least half of what you want, but because Ken put forward reasoned and intelligent arguments - certainly not because of what you said.
Let me make a general comment to everybody. If you want to express yourself about this project in this topic, if you can't follow standard etiquette for civilised public discourse your opinion will most likely be ignored or ridiculed, even if the gist of what you're saying is correct. If you don't know what standard etiquette for civilised public discourse is, try your best to guess, or do some research.
Re; Ken's point 4.
I agree the tricks are different and I considered that point. I also considered the significant difference between something like a crispy eggbeater and an original eggbeater. I think these are valid arguments. I also wonder whether these moves mentioned count as different uniques in shred 30. The rules are far from clear. However that said, one of the things that annoyed me about Lon's record list was the huge array of very rarely if ever hit moves, and the endless variations of moves that were essentially the same thing. I don't want that with this list. At the same time, I don't want to discount tricks that are genuinely different and worth including. I definitely recognise that symple swirl and normal swirl are fairly different in technique and quite common. There is a line somewhere and we need to decide where it is. I guess at this stage I'm leaning towards including symple swirl as a separate record, however I'd like to hear more opinions about it.
So to summarise; this is how I'm leaning on the decisions people have discussed;
1. Including eclipse once job's notation is decided.
2. Not including butterflyer.
3. Not including pixie tap.
4. Including symple swirl.
I would very much appreciate other people's opinions on these 4 issues (and other issues of course).
edit; I just wanted to add that pixie tap was like the third record to go up. I put it up because it was a record I had a video of, and at that time there were basically no other records. At that stage I felt that the more videos I had the better for the project, regardless of the moves. This is also why the toe stall record is up, despite the video being broken up in to 5 separate videos - which doesn't really follow the rules.