Out and Ins should be Ins and Outs

[Bander87]

So are you an inny or outty? Har har, not funny, lol

Anyways. I think that outs and ins should be called the oposite, ins and outs. Think about it, when your leg is going out to in, its going IN, so I think we should call it in, no? I understand that your starting at out, but if you go in, it obviously has to start going out first. Just imagine how the legs would be spinning constantly around. Same thing with the reverse, so you can say its all relative. When people are reading in America left to right, you don't say they are going left, they are going right - where they will end up.

I guess the problem is how it was originally written such as Out to In ATW and people logically pick the first part instead of the last.

I hope I made sense and somewhat logical! Its all how you imagine it I think.

[Tsiangkun]

no.

[brinard]

i always figure out

>in is which directionthe bag is going. from clipper,>op in, means bag goes inbetween my legs.

same with out. but opposite. what ev. it works for me

[Tsiangkun]

Imagine there is a line on your body, verticle, running from between your eyes to the ground.

OUT-IN dexes start from the outside and move towards the line. The leg moves from the out fringe of the body towards the middle.

IN-OUT dexes start at the line and move outwards. The leg moves away from the middle of the body towards the outside.


Basically. Once you know that much you can figure out whirls and dynos easy enough.

Everyone is basically on the same page right now. If one person starts screwing with the system, none of us will be able to communicate effectively.

[Bander87]

Imagine there is a line on your body, verticle, running from between your eyes to the ground.

OUT-IN dexes start from the outside and move towards the line. The leg moves from the out fringe of the body towards the middle.

IN-OUT dexes start at the line and move outwards. The leg moves away from the middle of the body towards the outside.


Basically. Once you know that much you can figure out whirls and dynos easy enough.

Everyone is basically on the same page right now. If one person starts screwing with the system, none of us will be able to communicate effectively.

Ah yes, I know what you mean. I'm saying we should call the dexes based on their ending motions rather than their beginning motions. Haha, I'm not trying to start a reform or anything, that would be pretty bad!

[hackeysnacker]

what about calling them medial (out > in) and distal (in > out)?

[Anz]

even if it's "wrong", why should it be changed when everybody uses it?

[sniikeri]

This topic is almost as useless as the "MLO" topic.

And that time I really thought DLO should be renamed MLO. Or not renamed, just be called with it's technical name. Didn't work.

"Facts are stupid things."

[Caleb]

This is WAY too big of a change for something that is merely bothersome. Whether it's the inside of the leg or inside of the body, oh well. The nomenclature is done and has made sense and done it's job for years.

[Iron Clad Ben]

This is completely arbitrary. It's like saying that the sun doesn't radiate heat, instead it acts as a coldness-sink. You'd be reframing existing universally accepted parameters to an established system just to make life more difficult for everyone. You're not wrong you're just reinventing the wheel.

Lefty loosey righty tighty. This assume that the "top" rotates right, but then the bottom rotates left so you could switch it around. But we've already got the stupid saying, so no one's going to change it.

Keep thinking though. Good to see someone's usin' their noggin.

[Switch Kicker]

Actually, the lefty loosy righty tighty is because if you were to spin the wheel righty, it would roll righty, and if you were to spin it lefty, it would roll lefty.

You can't define anything to be wrong really. I mean really... nothing can make sense... Let's take the word "Chair" for an example. (Simply because I'm sitting on one at the moment.) Who the fuck, decided to call this thing, a chair. Just listen, and I mean REALLY listen to the word chair... It's just a BIZAAR sound isn't it? It's that way with EVERY word too. You start thinking, well why not a different sound, something not so weird sounding. But then you can't think of anything else that could represent a chair that doesn't sound weird.

I don't know about some of you, but I see alot of relation there.

Who the fuck decided to have it be inny and outtie? When you ACTUALLY think about something... and wonder why or how it came to be, you see illogicalness in everything.

The keyboard for instance. Why the hell wasn't it put in alphabetical order? Who decided what order the alphabet would be in? Why do pop cans have the cylinder shape all the way up except for the top and bottoms? (They curve in at the top and bottom.) Who the fuck decided that opposite colors look better next to eachother? (green/red, blue/orange, purple/yellow.) Who decided that it's bad manners to have your elbows on the table? Why are all these stupid decisions made? Why do we accept them?

The answer's simple. Because it makes our lives, easier to just accept what's given to us. If you can give us something, and we can understand it, and it's easy to use, then we really just don't give a fuck who, how, or why the thing is the way it is.

The in and out thing. That's just how that one person saw it when inventing some abrevs for Footbag. We all saw his point of veiw, understood it, it was easy, and it made life easier. So we accepted it.

I hope you all understand what I'm trying to say here. However complicated this may seem. But seriously. Just LISTEN to some words, any word. You will just find it to be the most bizaar sound ever. Break it down, listen to it. And then just ask... Why? That will throw your thinking all out of whack for the day.

Peace,
Fred.

(Fred... What the fuck kinda name is that, who the fuck... )

[Nathan]

the bag goes outside your leg on an OUT and inside your leg on an IN, it makes a lot of sense.

[Bander87]

the bag goes outside your leg on an OUT and inside your leg on an IN, it makes a lot of sense.

Before or after the dex? eh eh? Technically the bag is usually set straight up and dosn't go anywhere, but its all relative.

Fred, almost all of those questions can be answered intelligently. Engineering and scientist don't create things for no reason. And before you wrote the last sentence, I was actually thinking about the name "fred", kinda funny.

[BalinorNZ]

I've thought about this a few times, but i'm too used to the way it is now

[sidekick]

I may be a retard, but I always though of dexes (excliding whirl and swirl) to be the right jobs notation wiht the in and out. I mean, when i do a pixie (in dex) the bag is on the inside of my body, but if I do a fairy (out dex) then the bag is outside my body. Same with mirage (inside) and illusion (still outside, but more angled toward the inside).

the things that don't make sense is the whirl dexes... I think it should be clockwise and counter clockwise (CLK and COU) but that's just too hard to change as well.

[Jeremy]

You can't define anything to be wrong really. I mean really... nothing can make sense... Let's take the word "Chair" for an example. (Simply because I'm sitting on one at the moment.) Who the fuck, decided to call this thing, a chair. Just listen, and I mean REALLY listen to the word chair... It's just a BIZAAR sound isn't it? It's that way with EVERY word too. You start thinking, well why not a different sound, something not so weird sounding. But then you can't think of anything else that could represent a chair that doesn't sound weird.

You must have been stoned when you wrote that. I'm not saying I neccessarily disagree (or agree) with what you wrote, I just can't imagine anybody writing that and not being stoned.

Who the fuck decided to have it be inny and outtie? When you ACTUALLY think about something... and wonder why or how it came to be, you see illogicalness in everything.

I would guess it was Ben Job - I think during a road trip to some tournament. I probably wasn't born when this happened though - I'm just trying to remember what I read about it

The keyboard for instance. Why the hell wasn't it put in alphabetical order? Who decided what order the alphabet would be in?

I heard that it was because the church (I don't know which church) wanted it that way so as to stop people from only writing on type writers - they thought that if the letters were all jumbled up people would find it too slow to use type writers so would only use them for really important stuff. I have no idea if this is true or not and suspect it probably isn't but that's the only explenation I've heard.

Why do pop cans have the cylinder shape all the way up except for the top and bottoms? (They curve in at the top and bottom.)

I think it could be to stop them having sharp edges. Also maybe a style thing.

Who the fuck decided that opposite colors look better next to each other? (green/red, blue/orange, purple/yellow.)

I did.

Who decided that it's bad manners to have your elbows on the table?

It's bad manners to put your elbows on the table because it means you're hunched over. If you're in a formal situation you should keep good posture to show that you have respect for the people around. Your body langauge shows how interested you are in the conversation etc.

[sidekick]

The keyboard for instance. Why the hell wasn't it put in alphabetical order? Who decided what order the alphabet would be in?

I heard that it was because the church (I don't know which church) wanted it that way so as to stop people from only writing on type writers - they thought that if the letters were all jumbled up people would find it too slow to use type writers so would only use them for really important stuff. I have no idea if this is true or not and suspect it probably isn't but that's the only explenation I've heard.

I heard that when the modern printer was the printing press, they had to hit each button to move a plate for each individual letter (so, when you hit a button, it would go and take a lead letter plate and move it to the next position of whatever you were typing). After a while the printers go so familiar with how the letters were set up that they went too fast and it would jam the machine. So to slow them down, they switched up the keys so that they didn't mess up the printers. That may also be just a story, but it makes sense... of course now that is obsolete, considering people can type REALY fast even with the mixed keys.

Now to be ON topic, the whirl dex sucks for in-to out... I tried to explain it someone, but it's hard to give the in/out version of it, so I use the front/back version.

[Switch Kicker]

You must have been stoned when you wrote that. I'm not saying I neccessarily disagree (or agree) with what you wrote, I just can't imagine anybody writing that and not being stoned.

Is it that obvious?

I think it could be to stop them having sharp edges. Also maybe a style thing.

You can make them without sharp edge either way...

Who the fuck decided that opposite colors look better next to each other? (green/red, blue/orange, purple/yellow.)

I did.

Oh.

It's bad manners to put your elbows on the table because it means you're hunched over. If you're in a formal situation you should keep good posture to show that you have respect for the people around. Your body langauge shows how interested you are in the conversation etc.

It's still a stupid rule...

I mean come on.. I'm a fucking ape... (You know waht I mean right?) I'm most comfortable at the dinner table with sitting on my left leg, and having my right leg cocked up so my foot is resting on the chair and my knee is bent upwards... Kinda hunched over, chowing down. Screw posture, lol. I can't stand formal bull shit. I really can't. I'm just one of those people that don't give a shit what people think of me when I'm in public sitting and walking and standing in just weird ways....

[sniikeri]

I heard that the letters of the keyboard have been arranged so that the letters next to each other are the most unusual in a row in English language.
Like letters "Q" and "W" aren't very common after each other ("qw" or "wq").

Anyways, thanks to the qwerty keyboard you can type with your ten fingers 'even-handed'.

[sidekick]

That makes sense...almost everything that I type is one letter then a different one that isn't next to it.... even typing makes sense!

LOL I like how we hyjacked the thread from the origonal in-out debate, into a debate about how the keyboard is set up!