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Post by habitat » 27 Apr 2010 16:25

There is no need to do or say anything if you want to put it that way. You could have easily not said anything, so why did you? Is a "need" required to "do"?

To explain myself a little more, I see art (music) as a linear progression (maybe sometimes regression) of human expression. You may disagree, that's fine. You wouldn't take a child coloring outside the lines like every child does seriously as art along the lines of the Sistine chapel. You would see it for what is it. I'm only picking on ska and slick dick because that is what he brought up and he seems easy to pick on. :wink: It's basically the same song (expression) over and over again, bands using each others formulas with no real (macro) experimentation going on. I personally find this stagnant and uninteresting, which is tantamount to "shit" and "fake" in relation to my conception of what art is.

I'm not saying there isn't a good ska (or whatever) song. It's "fun" music. In general though, music hasn't significantly changed since the 80s but people can't take a step back to realize it. Of course I understand that it's all subjective, by all means like what you like. It just seems most self-proclaimed "music fans" aren't actually interested in music or even critically LISTEN to it. People should ask questions such as what is the artist trying to say, what means is he/she communicating with, is it relevant?

Can you see the difference between Jeremy's post and Slick Nick's post? With the trend of using ipods and music as a time passer to our minds that need constant stimulation, music cannot progress and will just be used as a tool to talk and think about yourself more than you already do. Art is dying. Have fun.
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Post by Zac Jackson » 27 Apr 2010 17:12

thank you for clarifying James, you make more sense now. I can relate in a way for the fact of the reason I like the music I like is because I was in a band that played that kind of music and I loved doing it.

I disagree that music hasn't changed since the 80's in a sense that it actually has significantly. I would change your statement to "trendy music" hasn't changed since the 80's but thats just me.
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Post by Justin Hall » 27 Apr 2010 19:49

Metal is a genre I find that has progressed a lot since the 80's. The one problem about it is to anyone trying to label a metal song in a sub genre or sub,sub genre they wont have any easy time. Seeing as i could probably name around 50 different types of metal. Which has just gotten insane. That being said for the most part people who listen to metal bands of today also listen or respect their influence from other genres and the 80's bands. Personally I think more people should.

Here are some Brutal Death Metal/Slam bands that I listen:

Devourment
Nile (technical brutal death)
Guttural Secrete
Katalepsy
Cephalotripsy
Abominable Putridity
Condemned
Inhuman Dissiliency
lividity


Any fans of any of those bands??

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Post by F[uns]tylin' Eclectic » 27 Apr 2010 21:52

habitat, if you recall, in the first line of my first post, I mentioned that you had good taste in music, concerning hardcore punk. I just don't see why you need to go and shit on my opinions. That's great you hate Ska, join the club of millions, but that's no reason to call my music fake and call me a "douchebag" for taking my music seriously. I have my own personal opinion of the kind of person you are and I'm sure you've got your own of me now. That doesn't mean I hate you, I just don't agree with some of your views on various things.

However, you've obviously done NO research on Ska, because if you had done some, you would realize that it's not just "pussy punk for suburban music school kids" ( and I can see why you think that, with respects to third wave punk ska and whatnot... because well... you're kinda right :P), but you've clearly never known that Ska has had 3 different waves and the first wave, you could never be able to classify as "pussy punk for suburban music school kids", because Punk hadn't influenced Ska yet, it was purely Jamaican influence around this time... That didn't happen until late 2nd wave into 3rd wave. Along with your comment about Ska being non-experimental, you're dead wrong. Since 3rd wave has come around, there has been a ridiculous amount of experimentation, although you may not be a fan of it, it's there.

And sure, maybe Ska's really repetitive, but it makes some people happy. Ska actually saved my life a while ago, and I would probably be dead if I wasn't introduced to the genre. Make fun of that all you want, but Ska legitimately saved my life. Don't think you're the first one to make fun of me for liking Ska, get in line, pal. A lot of my friends think Ska sucks too, but they respect my love for it, as I respect your love of breakcore, noise rock, and especially hardcore punk.

I don't care if people praise me for my music selection I've posted, I only posted it because I'm passionate about the music I love and on the off chance that someone else is passionate about this music and, seeing this, they'll know that someone else in the footbag community has the same taste as them. I think it's more fun when people share the same interest as you, such as us footbag players, although this thread seems to have gotten a little hostile here and there.

Personally, I think it's stupid and pointless to belittle other people's music tastes, (I never did to your's) because everyone was brought up differently and in different music situations.

And just for the record... I'm not mad at my Dad. He's my biggest role model in life, and he actually is primarily responsible for getting me into the music I know and love to this day.

I think fighting is lame, in real life and especially online, it's just a waste of time... because I should really be studying for finals right now :P Can we just end this bickering on the conclusion that we both have our own opinions (although somewhat different), but we should both respect each other's ways of music/life?
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Post by habitat » 28 Apr 2010 09:38

Sick*Nick*Slick*Kick wrote:habitat, if you recall, in the first line of my first post, I mentioned that you had good taste in music, concerning hardcore punk. I just don't see why you need to go and shit on my opinions. That's great you hate Ska, join the club of millions, but that's no reason to call my music fake and call me a "douchebag" for taking my music seriously. I have my own personal opinion of the kind of person you are and I'm sure you've got your own of me now. That doesn't mean I hate you, I just don't agree with some of your views on various things.

However, you've obviously done NO research on Ska, because if you had done some, you would realize that it's not just "pussy punk for suburban music school kids" ( and I can see why you think that, with respects to third wave punk ska and whatnot... because well... you're kinda right :P), but you've clearly never known that Ska has had 3 different waves and the first wave, you could never be able to classify as "pussy punk for suburban music school kids", because Punk hadn't influenced Ska yet, it was purely Jamaican influence around this time... That didn't happen until late 2nd wave into 3rd wave. Along with your comment about Ska being non-experimental, you're dead wrong. Since 3rd wave has come around, there has been a ridiculous amount of experimentation, although you may not be a fan of it, it's there.

And sure, maybe Ska's really repetitive, but it makes some people happy. Ska actually saved my life a while ago, and I would probably be dead if I wasn't introduced to the genre. Make fun of that all you want, but Ska legitimately saved my life. Don't think you're the first one to make fun of me for liking Ska, get in line, pal. A lot of my friends think Ska sucks too, but they respect my love for it, as I respect your love of breakcore, noise rock, and especially hardcore punk.

I don't care if people praise me for my music selection I've posted, I only posted it because I'm passionate about the music I love and on the off chance that someone else is passionate about this music and, seeing this, they'll know that someone else in the footbag community has the same taste as them. I think it's more fun when people share the same interest as you, such as us footbag players, although this thread seems to have gotten a little hostile here and there.

Personally, I think it's stupid and pointless to belittle other people's music tastes, (I never did to your's) because everyone was brought up differently and in different music situations.

And just for the record... I'm not mad at my Dad. He's my biggest role model in life, and he actually is primarily responsible for getting me into the music I know and love to this day.

I think fighting is lame, in real life and especially online, it's just a waste of time... because I should really be studying for finals right now :P Can we just end this bickering on the conclusion that we both have our own opinions (although somewhat different), but we should both respect each other's ways of music/life?
This post didn't communicate anything new. In the words of David Byrne, "You're talking a lot, but you're not saying anything."

I still would argue music hasn't changed much since the 80s on a whole. Rock is still rock, be it ska or metal. If you take a step back it's still distorted guitars and a modern drum kit playing rock influence beats. And just because you speed up/slow down and tune down doesn't necessarily make it that different or experimental. Justin, you actually support my position by bring up sub-genres. Why do people feel the need to create and label bands with sub genres? Could it be equivalent to cutting the last piece of a pizza into 1/16ths? People don't feel the need to progress on so they keep trying to cut the genre in pieces. There is no real change. If there was, it would be a new genre, wouldn't it? Why not get a different pizza instead? You can only eat so much pepperoni.

Think about how jazz was revolutionary compared to western European music. The combination of different rhythms, harmonies and clashing cultures. You just don't see changes like that nowadays because our culture has become homogenized and stale. We really can't progress or change because we just keep influencing each other with the same ol' music. I speculate that globalization will eventually turn our music into bastardized versions of each others unique cultural expressions.

All I'm trying to say is there is still artists out there actually trying to be artists, but there are a lot of people using music to live off of and to get popular etc. I just find it disgusting to bang out shitty tunes for a check and call yourself an artist. I'm glad the music industry is fucked. Again, to each his own but please try to intellectualize the music you listen to. It's much more rewarding.

I'm done. Don Cab (on tape) and footbag before class. Later.
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Post by F[uns]tylin' Eclectic » 28 Apr 2010 10:18

James, I definitely agree with you in saying that a lot of bands today just bang out shitty music for a paycheck. I understand why they do it, because everyone loves money, but that kind of attitude is ruining music. But with Ska, how can you expect the bands to make money off of their music if the fan base is so small nowadays? Practically no Ska bands fit into that category of "making music to live off of and get popular" (earlier first and second wave Ska is all about crucial things like preventing racism, anti-violence, and unity.. you're correct with concerns to some of the early '90's Ska bands though). The main theme behind Ska has mainly been to encourage anti-racism. That's what those checkers stand for, black and whites coming together in unity and interracially having a good time. And that's why 2tone bands usually had some black and some white members. They blended black music from the islands with white music from England, and therefore there were fans of both races. If you ask me, 2tone bands really knew what they were doing when it came to unity and world peace. (just so you and everyone else can understand it a little better).

The bands do it for fun now, because we truly love the music. I'm the lead singer in a Ska band and I feel that when we started the band, we realized more money would go into it then come out of it. We didn't care, we still just do it because we all have the true love of Ska in our souls and because it DOES have such a slim fan base. You've probably heard the phrase "Ska Is Dead", well that's why we're in it, to keep something alive that we love. It may not work and Ska may die out some day (pretty damn close to it as we speak), but at least we're trying, it's better than sitting back and watching it slowly fade away.

I don't wanna argue my point anymore, because I love the music, and frankly I don't give a flying fuck if people hate it. Props if you hate it and props if you like it. I do my part in saving it. Indeed, to each his own.
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Post by Jeremy » 02 May 2010 07:22

WyrmFyre wrote:I always find it a bit puzzling myself when people say "I take great pride in my music" when usually what they mean is "I have an extensive CD collection" but that aside....

Great post Jeremy. Genesis was one of the first bands I heard on CD, along with Meatloaf's Bat Out Of Hell, George Thorogood and Al Jolson of all people. I was "brought up" on it, if you like.

@Sergey : I dunno, theres a lot of music I like that I couldnt kick to.
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Whitney Houston burst onto the music scene in 1985 with her self-titled LP which had four number one hit singles on it, including "The Greatest Love of All," "You Give Good Love" and "Saving All My Love for You," plus it won a Grammy Award for best pop vocal performance by a female and two American Music Awards, one for best rhythm and blues single and another for best rhythm and blues video. She was also cited as best new artist of the year by Billboard and by Rolling Stone magazine. With all this hype one might expect the album to be an anticlimactic, lackluster affair, but the surprise is that Whitney Houston (Arista) is one of the warmest, most complex and altogether satisfying rhythm and blues records of the decade and Whitney herself has a voice that defies belief. From the elegant, beautiful photo of her on the cover of the album (in a gown by Giovanne De Maura) and its fairly sexy counterpart on the back (in a bathing suit by Norma Kaman) one knows that this isn't going to be a blandly professional affair; the record is smooth but intense and Whitney's voice leaps across so many boundaries and is so versatile (though she's mainly a jazz singer) that it's hard to take in the album on a first listening. But you won't want to. You'll want to savor it over many.

It opens with "You Give Good Love" and "Thinking About You," both produced and arranged by Kashif, and they emanate warm, lush jazz arrangements but with a contemporary synthesized beat and though they're both really good songs, the album doesn't get kicking until "Someone for Me" which was produced by Jermaine Jackson, where Whitney sings longingly against a jazz-disco background and the difference between her longing and the sprightliness of the song is very moving. The ballad "Saving All My Love for You" is the sexiest, most romantic song on the record. It also has a killer saxophone solo by Tom Scott and one can hear the influences of sixties girl-group pop in it (it was cowritten by Gerry Goffin) but the sixties girl groups were never this emotional or sexy (or as well produced) as this song is. "Nobody Loves Me Like You Do" is a glorious duet with Jermaine Jackson (who also produced it) and just one example of how sophisticated lyrically this album is. The last thing it suffers from is a paucity of decent lyrics which is what usually happens when a singer doesn't write her own material and has to have her producer choose it. But Whitney and company have picked well here.

The dance single "How Will I Know" (my vote for best dance song of the 1980s) is a joyous ode to a girl's nervousness about whether another guy is interested in her. It's got a great keyboard riff and it's the only track on the album produced by wunderkind producer Narada Michael Walden. My own personal favorite ballad (aside from "The Greatest Love of All" - her crowning achievement) is "All at Once" which is about how a young woman realizes all at once her lover is fading away from her and it's accompanied by a gorgeous string arrangement. Even though nothing on the album sounds like filler, the only track that might come close is "Take Good Care of My Heart," another duet with Jermaine Jackson. The problem is that it strays from the album's jazz roots and seems too influenced by 1980s dance music.

But Whitney's talent is restored with the overwhelming "The Greatest Love of All," one of the best, most powerful songs ever written about self-preservation and dignity. From the first line (Michael Masser and Linda Creed are credited as the writers) to the last, it's a state-of-the-art ballad about believing in yourself. It's a powerful statement and one that Whitney sings with a grandeur that approaches the sublime. Its universal message crosses all boundaries and instills one with the hope that it's not too late for us to better ourselves, to act kinder. Since it's impossible in the world we live in to empathize with others, we can always empathize with ourselves. It's an important message, crucial really, and it's beautifully stated on this album.

Her second effort, Whitney (Arista, 1987), had four number one singles, "I Wanna Dance with Somebody," "So Emotional," "Didn't We Almost Have It All?" and "Where Do Broken Hearts Go?" and was mostly produced by Narada Michael Walden and though it's not as serious an effort as Whitney Houston it's hardly a victim of Sophomore Slump. It starts off with the bouncy; danceable "I Wanna Dance with Somebody (Who Loves Me)" which is in the same vein as the last album's irrepressible "How Will I Know." This is followed by the sensuous "Just the Lonely Talking Again" and it reflects the serious jazz influence that permeated the first album and one can also sense a newfound artistic maturity in Whitney's voice - she did all the vocal arrangements on this album - and this is all very evident on "Love Will Save the Day" which is the most ambitious song Whitney's yet performed. It was produced by Jellybean Benitez and it pulsates with an uptempo intensity and like most of the songs on this album it reflects a grownup's awareness of the world we all live in. She sings and we believe it. This is quite a change from the softer, little-girl-lost image that was so appealing on the first album.

She projects an even more adult image on the Michael Masser-produced "Didn't We Almost Have It All," a song about meeting up with a long-lost lover and letting him know your feelings about the past affair, and it's Whitney at her most poetic. And as on most of the ballads there's a gorgeous string arrangement. "So Emotional" is in the same vein as "How Will I Know" and "I Wanna Dance with Somebody" but it's even more rock-influenced and, like all the songs on Whitney, played by a terrific backup studio band with Narada on drum machine, Wolter Afanasieff on the synthesizer and synth bass, Corrado Rustici on synth guitar, and someone listed as Bongo Bob on percussion programming and drum sampling. "Where You Are" is the only song on the album produced by Kashif and it bears his indelible imprint of professionalism - it has a smooth, gleaming sound and sheen to it with a funky sax solo by Vincent Henry. It sounded like a hit single to me (but then all the songs on the album do) and I wondered why it wasn't released as one.

"Love Is a Contact Sport" is the album's real surprise - a big-sounding, bold, sexy number that, in terms of production, is the album's centerpiece, and it has great lyrics along with a good beat. It's one of my favorites. On "You're Still My Man" you can hear how clearly Whitney's voice is like an instrument - a flawless, warm machine that almost overpowers the sentiment of her music, but the lyrics and the melodies are too distinctive, too strong to let any singer, even one of Whitney's caliber, overshadow them. "For the Love of You" shows off Narada's brilliant drum programming capabilities and its jazzy modern feel harks back not only to purveyors of modern jazz like Michael Jackson and Sade but also to other artists, like Miles Davis, Paul Butterfield and Bobby McFerrin.

"Where Do Broken Hearts Go" is the album's most powerful emotional statement of innocence lost and trying to regain the safety of childhood. Her voice is as lovely and controlled as it ever has been and it leads up to "I Know Him So Well," the most moving moment on the record because it's first and foremost a duet with her mother, Cissy. It's a ballad about who? - a lover shared? a long-lost father? - with a combination of longing, regret, determination and beauty that ends the album on a graceful, perfect note. We can expect new things from Whitney (she made a stunning gift to the 1988 Olympics with the ballad "One Moment in Time") but even if we didn't, she would remain the most exciting and original black jazz voice of her generation.

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Post by Justin Hall » 02 May 2010 11:11

Hey Jeremy, What do you think of Huey Lewis and the News?

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Post by Jeremy » 02 May 2010 15:39

lol, I'm a fan.

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Post by Justin Hall » 02 May 2010 15:51

Haha, I figured as much.

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Post by Muffinman » 02 May 2010 18:02

This is my favourite band. Such... gorgeous sound ♥
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Post by quadgun » 03 May 2010 13:32

Gogol Bordello.

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Post by Tripp » 05 May 2010 17:11

metal/hardcore/ a ton of deathcore

The Acacia Strain
Stray From the Path
Shai Hulud
Today Is The Day
Man Must Die
Rifles At Recess
To The Lions
This Or The Apocalypse
Car_Bomb
Crossbearer
Remembering Never
Death
All Else Failed

Getting into a ton of local shtuff lately. Ursus will most likely be a pretty popular deathcore band in a matter of time.
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Post by Tripp » 16 May 2010 07:37

Way to kill another good thread, Josh.
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Post by habitat » 22 May 2010 23:33

Do you like Wolves in the Throne Room Josh?

P.S. Jeremy is lol
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Post by Matt_mcfarland » 12 Jun 2010 08:19

metal sub-genres make me laugh. people hate so hard on certain bands because they have a few too many harmonics and 808 hits for a metal song, but i enjoy it, it makes it fun to listen to. aside from that

Fall of troy 11!11!!1 amazing band
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soad
dilinger escape plan
devil wears prada
bfmv
avenged sevenfold
lamb of god
suicide silence
in flames
most metal id get trashed by "real metal bands" for listenin to

beck
radiohead
mgmt
311 before they turned way homo
gorilaz

hip hop of many sorts
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Post by Matt K » 16 Jun 2010 18:55

Part the Second by maudlin Of The Well has some of the most beautiful music on it.
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Post by Zac Miley » 16 Jun 2010 20:03

Say Anything
Eisley
Ratatat
Radiohead
Gorillaz
Phoenix
As Tall As Lions
Beach Boys
Of Montreal
PlayRadioPlay
Ben Gibbard
Sara Bareilles
The Shins
Mute Math
Metric
Movits


Plus some others. Those are the bands I don't skip on iTunes ever.
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Post by Sporatical_Distractions » 19 Jun 2010 00:42

habitat wrote:Do you like Wolves in the Throne Room Josh?
Great band. Been into noise music lately. Very abrasive and great.
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Post by habitat » 21 Jun 2010 21:26

Yo Zac, playradioplay is the shit even though it's so pussy. That kid is legit.
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