Overall Freestyle Champions

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Who is the true Freestyle champion?

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Post by Zerbalicious » 28 Jan 2003 17:36

wicked wrote: this seems gay (no offence homos).

but instead we have gay ass regular doubles. Lets get all the faggy shit out of hack please.
It seems like you have a little too much anger towards gay people Eric.

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And tennis has same sex doubles

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Post by Hacky_Slacker » 28 Jan 2003 18:23

True dat Zerb, i voted Shred 30 because like you all say, you don't train for shred 30. i think that is when you can see a shredder's style moreson that routine, casue, i meanits in the name! ROUTINE!? how fun and exciting is that? Shred 30 is an all balls out shred fest. i don't give a fuck if they drop it or how many times. I just like to see people for who they are, not what they think they should look like. Keep it free! "free"stlye.
but hey to each his own, i respect any and all. <-----my 2 cents.

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Post by FootbagginBum » 28 Jan 2003 18:32

So what exactly was your big 3 that you missed Jane? (sorry for pulling back off topic, but it got me curious)

The only reason I didn't include doubles in my vote is because you need to have someone, and thats not always availible. So many people play alone, and while I have people I could do it with, they suck comparitivly to me, so I don't mess with it very much, I work more on training them individually. But doubles is something to be proud of though.
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Post by CICFreestyler 17 » 28 Jan 2003 19:13

Doubles are alright but I can see what wicked is saying. In doubles tennis you don't have two guys putting their legs between the other guys. I have shown doubles to some of my friends and they also said they thought it looked gay. I personally don't, but its going to be hard to sell doubles to a non-footbag audience if they think it is gay.

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Post by wicked » 28 Jan 2003 19:31

Hahah no zerbe, Im perfectly comfortable with myself. Im just thinking about the sport in a bigger picture. Sorry for calling doubles faggy, but i think it would get clowned on if it were on ESPN or something. I dont think doubles fits in with bluetorch or something like that. Sorry its just my opinion. Not to mention the another thing i saw at worlds, there were like 5 guys who had "strip factors" in thier routines. They went up there with full clothing and basically stripped into thier kick shorts. Im sorry but if im a judge thats not gonna help you get presention points. It doesn't matter if your a guy or a girl doing it, i just wanna see your skill to control the bag. I by no means want to steer this discussion into a differnet direction, but i just think it needs to be more professional. Does anyone agree with me, I really hope that im not alone on this. In the media, they dont have to use vaseks routine or something cool. They could take anything that anybody did and say "this is what footbag is all about, bla bla bla" There should be standards at the world championships in my opionion on clothing and what not.
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Post by Hacky_Slacker » 28 Jan 2003 19:44

FREEstyle. let it be free! 8)
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Post by Zerbalicious » 28 Jan 2003 21:11

wicked wrote:Not to mention the another thing i saw at worlds, there were like 5 guys who had "strip factors" in thier routines. They went up there with full clothing and basically stripped into thier kick shorts.
Let's get one thing straight. I had taken off most of my clothes *before* my routine. I already had the sex pants on when I went out there. :D

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Post by Zerbalicious » 28 Jan 2003 21:16

And one more thing.
Matt and I perform doubles in almost all of our shows and it always gets a good reaction. Although we do it with pants on :D

I just think that the more freestyle events the better. And if you're good at all of them you should be the overall freestyle champ.

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Post by Dat » 29 Jan 2003 01:36

I totally agree with you Eric. If it's supposed to be an athletic competition, just show your skills.
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Post by Catweazle » 29 Jan 2003 01:45

I like the idea of having a "singles routine champion", a "shred 30 champion", and so on, and having an additional "grand champion" title or whatever you wanna call it, for the one who wins the most contests. And yes, I think you should include everything for that title, routine, shred30, sick3, doubles, flow, or whatever contest are available.

Maybe this is a stupid idea, but why not let the audience at a tourney elect the girl/guy they liked best watching? Call it "everybody´s darling" or whatever. I think at least at bigger tournaments you´ll have plenty of non-shredders, so you can see what they prefer to watch.
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Post by Zerbalicious » 29 Jan 2003 08:24

Dat wrote:I totally agree with you Eric. If it's supposed to be an athletic competition, just show your skills.
But is it an art, a sport, or both?

Both I think.
If you're in it for the sport, go play net :D

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Post by Hacky_Slacker » 29 Jan 2003 11:00

Right on Zerb! i too think its both. leaning more toward the artsy side (pisa like) performance wise or so on.

Im not much of an atheate myself, never have been, but i AM an astist, and i realy feel i can show myself though diffrent medeiums. Footbag being one of them.

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Post by Dat » 29 Jan 2003 11:05

I don't think there could ever be a general agreement on what footbag is, but I definitely believe the world footbag championships should not be a circus.
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Post by Noah Jay-Bonn » 29 Jan 2003 12:49

"Art is the creation of expressive forms symbolic of human feeling." -Susanne Langer

I dont find an atom smasher to be expressive or symbolic of any human feeling-- just a move. In my book, footbag is not an art form... but I think it could be.

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Post by wicked » 29 Jan 2003 18:03

yea dat exactly... I do think zerbes routine kicked ass. His semi finals and finals were two different routines. He came out on a tricycle for finals. I forgot what he did for semifinals, but that kicked ass too. I think what he does is more of a performance than a sporting event. Zerbe if Worlds was on national TV and millions of people were watching would you still keep your routines artsy or would you go sporty? Do you think you could make it to the finals going sporty?
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Post by FootbagginBum » 29 Jan 2003 23:02

I see it as an artistic sport. You can be very artistic with not so much technical merit and vis versa or both. You can't pick one or the other, but I aggree with Noah that there's not much art to an atom smasher.
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Post by Rob » 29 Jan 2003 23:03

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Post by Grischa » 30 Jan 2003 03:12

I like doubles, it is fun to play and if you have at least two teams there should always be a doubles competition at every footbag event.
For media coverage mixed doubles would of course be better, but there're not enough girls playing.
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and sick3 is kind of luck, maybe not for Vasek, Ryan and very few other guys. but it lays in the competition, you try to bust three of your phattest tricks in a row.

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Post by Zerbalicious » 31 Jan 2003 09:35

Sorry It's taken me so long to respond to all these posts. But I do have something to say.

First Noah, you may consider Atom Smasher just a move but here's why I consider it art. There are an infinite number of ways in which you can hit AS. Do you do it leggy, hippy, do you hold you arms close to your body or out away from it, do you clench your hands or hold them open, how high do you set the bag?
There are a million variables in any given move. The more control you have over those variables, while still being able to execute the move, the more versitile an artist you are.
You should know Noah, being a dance major, that footbag is just another form of body movement.

A move may be a move but I've seen both ugly and pretty Atom Smashers. Some certainly have more style than others.

As a side note. I've seen Toby 1 put more style and grace into just kicking than some people bustin guiltless. Toby has great form and excelent style and is just one shredder that realizes there is more to being a great player than just executing hard tricks, you have to look good while doing it.

Wicked. Thanks for the props. For semi's I wore a woman's one piece swiming suit over my footbag shorts, oversized boxing gloves, and a novelty foam cowboy hat. I was way more stoked on how that routine turned out than finals.
And to answer your question about footbag being on national TV. I would still go the artistic route because I consider myself an artist way more than an athlete. I was never very athletic in school but I've always enjoyed being creative. The only reason I was somewhat decent at footbag is because I skooled my fucking ass off. However, I'm sure being on national TV would influence my routine somehow 8O

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Post by Senor Grommet » 31 Jan 2003 13:10

i think zebe is right about the atom smasher showing artistic merit.
Lon smith is a prime example of an artistic footbagger. he has like 15 different styles, each of which make the viewing audience feel diff things.
he has the no plant style, drunken style, grizzly style (hunched over), what I call the "very controlled spinning style," pointing, flainilg arms while shredding, etc. He makes shred artistic, right?
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