BAP - detrimental?

dizzy · Post by **dizzy** » 29 Jan 2003 20:33

http://www.footbag.tv/show_archive.php? ... es&id=2002

madshred2003 · Post by **madshred2003** » 29 Jan 2003 20:51

it's like reading the bible

FootbagginBum · Post by **FootbagginBum** » 29 Jan 2003 22:54

I agree that some of the BAP has become corrupt and elitest, but its just sttitude problems. I'm not dening his godliness with the bag, but I'm also not afraid to bring up Ryans attitude at worlds. Showed up the first day he needed to compete, warmed up alone, and didn't go to any of the big shred sessions...but the others were playing like mad.

I am a perfectionist, and whenever I decide I like something and want to do it, I aim to be the best, but its not for the glory, its for the satisfaction of the accomplishment in general. I'd still play footbag for the love of the sport, but I have a love of glory in general, and I want BAP for the glory. Doesn't mean I wouldn't stop training all my newbs and stuff, thats growing the sport, and if you love footbag, you'll help it grow, but when I'm really good, I want to be recognized for all the training I put in, and its because of things like the BAP that I put that training in and don't smoke a lot of pot every club meeting like a good portion of the club that just plays footbag for fun.

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 29 Jan 2003 23:06

Yeah it's clear that BAP was once a very useful group, and perhaps it's unfair to put some of the blame to BAP, but rather the members of BAP (or at least the elitist ones). But as God... I mean Kenny says:

it just isn't feasible to recognize all of the players that are truly worthy of BAP status.

I'm not sure what should be done to change the situation, BAP could be disbanded, BAPers could be given duties, like teaching new people and failing those duties could result in expulsion. It's a tough topic.
With Ryan though, I wasn't there so I don't know the full story, but when I play in national touch footy (an aussie sport like rugby league - http://touchfootball.sportingpulse.com/austouch/) I always warm up by myself and don't tend to talk to many people. Ryan was under a lot of pressure at the world champs and it could have been is effort at dealing with that.

FootbagginBum · Post by **FootbagginBum** » 29 Jan 2003 23:09

true, but after...

HackyRichard · Post by **HackyRichard** » 30 Jan 2003 00:01

Touch rugby an aussie sport ... how come we keep beating you guys then

I just re-read that verbal mess I previously wrote, "You've gone and shot yourself" WTF I musta still been half asleep or something

... everything else made sense though.

Envelope is a metaphor to give some sense of tangibility to some thing which is inherently intangible (that makes no sense but you'll probably catch the drift slacker).

What should be done to rectify the current situation? Um get over the whole status symbol thing, in the end isn't the important thing that you're part of the greatest phenomenon known to mankind? (sorry a bit too melodramatic there) ...

HackyRichard

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » 30 Jan 2003 01:58

Okay, first of all, I´m not an expert on BAP, by far! But I´m reeaally tired of people whining that BAPsters are oh so elitist and arrogant, just because they don´t post on this forum! As was mentioned before, maybe they don´t like the whole internet thing, maybe they don´t have enough time. There are plenty of good reasons why they don´t post here. Take Vasek for example, or the other Czechs. I´ve experienced them twice at tournaments, and these guys are soo far fram from being elitist, arrogant or whatnot! But do they post here? Very rarely, but I don´t see why you should / could hold that against them!

Last words, the Bapsters I´ve seen firsthand were all very nice people! Namely the Dictators and Brian McKenzie!

Nuff rambling for today!

Hacky_Slacker · Post by **Hacky_Slacker** » 30 Jan 2003 13:36

i don't see why someone eles' attitude towads something, your involed is, has anything to do with how you feel or play, or think. just let it be, there are alot of nice people, there are alot of assholes, too. it comes with the territorry. i don't think you should fret at all, about it. Just go with it, and Richard, Thanx for the Explanation, and its what i though it was, and i DID get it. i may smoke pot, but im not slow. no offence.

peace!!

Torch · Post by **Torch** » 31 Jan 2003 00:17

Hey... yo.

There are many definitions of the word free in dictionary. Here are my favorites:

free adj. 1. Not imprisoned or enslaved; being at liberty. 2. Not controlled by obligation or the will of another.... 4.a. Not affected or restricted by a given condition or circumstance. b. Not subject to a given condition; exempt. 5. Not subject to external restraint....

... and the list goes on, but you get the fucking point.

Then, there is the word style. I can't decide which word I like better. They are both pretty bloody good words.

style n. 1. The way in which something is said, done, expressed, or performed. 2. The combination of distinctictve features of literary or artistic expression, execution, or perormance characterizing a particular person, group, school, or era. 3. Sort; type. 4. A quality of imagination and individuality expressed in one's actions and tastes. 5.a. (and my favorite) A comfortable and elegant mode of existence.

I take it you guys can do simple addition.

Torch

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » 31 Jan 2003 01:24

That about sums it up!

BTW, nice to see you on the board Torch! Hopefully it won´t be for the last time!

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 31 Jan 2003 05:03

Firstly Richard, I haven't been paying attention to recent results but the last time I heard, back in 2000, the Australian Mens and Womens open teams had never lost a game in the history of Touch FOOTY. Apparantly the mixed team had lost one game to you guys.

Secondly, good to see Torch on the list, that makes what, 8 BAPers (I think, 6 of which have a combined total amount of posts of less then 10) but BAPers not posting on this board isn't really what I was talking about. I'm sure they get sick of commenting on the nature of paradox and the like, I get sick of reading it and I'm a very green player.

Free and Stlye are pretty cool words, in fact Free is one of my favourite words of all time. I also like your point, and I shouldn't let the whole BAP thing worry me, however I want to see FreeStyle Footbag become a pro sport, I want to see it become a big popular thing, I want to see kids shreding at every corner and wearing real footbag shoes and having Vasek or Mulroney as their heroes. But I can't see it ever happening with BAP, at least in the US as things stand. The Czech guys are different and I believe that Europe is where things are at. Those guys have personality and youthful energy. How many shred videos (not from World Championship events) are there on the net of BAP players apart from the Czech players?

FootbagginBum · Post by **FootbagginBum** » 31 Jan 2003 19:23

who is Torch? San Fransisco makes me believe Sunil or Wulff.. OH, its Ahren, coolness, welcome.

Hacky_Slacker · Post by **Hacky_Slacker** » 01 Feb 2003 17:25

hell, yeah. it seems eveybody has cooled down about the whole thing, and i have to hop on the band wagon, and say, GOOD TO HAVE YOU ABOARD, AHREN! you're quite an idol in my eyes, i have always been a fan of your work, eversince i saw the sickning for the first time. alot of people say, Vasik or Ryan. not me i say Torch! porps on all youve accomplished, your my favorite player, and yadda yadda. i'll quit now, i just got a little excited, knowing it was you.

PS-are you gonna be at CSS4? if so then i'll see you there!
Peace!

dafootbager · Post by **dafootbager** » 01 Feb 2003 17:42

Did you know:

Torch works in a supermarket

Torch hates Ryan El-dopo(so does Dave Holten)thats why he(Ryan) didnt win worlds.
And loves his dope.

$2.22 · Post by **$2.22** » 01 Feb 2003 18:19

Da footbagger.....please be careful with what you say. To say my friends ahren and dave hate Ryan is inaccurate. It is even more inaccurate to say that's why Ryan lost worlds. Don't make false accusations. You owe them an apology.

Hacky_Slacker · Post by **Hacky_Slacker** » 01 Feb 2003 18:20

for good reason, "dope" as you so cruedly put it, is a wonderful thing to love. i have smoked with 2 famous freestlyaz. i think it goes hand in hand.

ToeGuiltless · Post by **ToeGuiltless** » 01 Feb 2003 18:29

i'd have to agree with $2.22. those are some pretty disrespectful things to say to someone.

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 01 Feb 2003 19:38

dafootbager wrote:Did you know:

Torch works in a supermarket
Torch hates Ryan El-dopo(so does Dave Holten)thats why he(Ryan) didnt win worlds.
And loves his dope.

Even if any of this was true, I don't know if it is or not (and what's wrong with working in supermakets? If nobody did, there would be none!) I can't understand what it has to do with BAP or the thread. Torch has my respect because of his footbag skill, he's also a member of BAP so his comments are definitly helpful to the cause.

bob · Post by **bob** » 01 Feb 2003 21:29

bap = good

WELL NOW THAT I"M NOT OFF TOPIC, i would like to put that dafootbager needs to mind his own fucking business. i don't know if anything you said was true but i do know that it doesn't have a damn thing to do with this topic and doesn't belong on this forum. Peoples places of employment make no fucking difference on a footbag forum. i work at telemarketing. how's that for ya? and i really doubt that any relation that torch has with ryan effected the result of worlds. ahren is my favorite shredder of all time and not to mention (from what little i've talked to him) a great guy.

bob

edit: i don't really care about whether bap is detrimental or not to footbag because we can't really do anything about it. this post was only made to get that off my chest.

Torch · Post by **Torch** » 01 Feb 2003 21:30

[quote="dafootbager"]Did you know:

Torch works in a supermarket

Torch hates Ryan El-dopo(so does Dave Holten)thats why he(Ryan) didnt win worlds.
And loves his dope.[/quote]

Whoa. Ok motherfucker, y'all need to slow your role. For the record, here are a few facts. First, I do not hate Ryan. I would actually consider him to be my friend. I'm also pretty sure that Dave does not hate Ryan either. Even if we did, which we do not, it would not have had made any difference in our decision to give the title to Vasek. We were given a difficult task and did it the best we could with what they gave us. If you would like to read a good rant on this subject you can find it on the other list in my reply to Ted Huff. Second, I do not work in a supermarket. Third, I do smoke weed sometimes, though I am hardly the head that you make me out to be.

And then there is my opinion. Most people probably think I would be offended, but really I'm not. I actually find it amusing that you were able to make yourself appear to be both an idiot and an asshole in under 30 words. I would actually like to thank you for being so fucking entertaining. However, I would like to ask that you please do not put words in my mouth. I can speak for myself just fine. I'm not quite sure what you are trying to accomplish, but if you are trying to start a fight, please do it in person so I have a chance to take one of my size 11 lavers, turn the sumbitch sideways, and stick it straight up your candy ass! Just kidding. I'm not really one for violence, but please, for everybodys sake, pull your head out of your ass and think about what you say before you say it.

Torch

BAP - detrimental?

Do you believe BAP is still good for footbag?