Self Serving

Rob · Post by **Rob** » 11 Jan 2003 22:33

I think it's amazing when a player notices their own the and they call it and pass it...if I do happen to notice I clearly the a trick I always pass, if it's questionable I try to ask but sometimes forget

madshred2003 · Post by **madshred2003** » 11 Jan 2003 23:45

thank you chan.

max · Post by **max** » 12 Jan 2003 04:32

this is off topic but has anyone tried stringing the'd moves? like the'd barrage > the'd paradon > the'd pdx whirl > the'd duck > other stuff

I think that can be pretty hilarious if done well.... the thing is it's pretty hard!

Paulsator · Post by **Paulsator** » 12 Jan 2003 05:40

yeah linosphere and i did that while doing a workshop with younger kids...
we stringed some sick stuff...
you can basically hit anything since it is the anyways like nemesis>double blender or I dont know what...
we thought about putting that on a video

Zerbalicious · Post by **Zerbalicious** » 12 Jan 2003 15:43

Enforcer wrote:I must say that I don't witness much self-serving personally. I guess out of respect for me people are willing to curtail their self-serving habit. I appreciate this but I would say that the game itself deserves that same respect, even when it's just you and your buddies practicing in your basement.

I am really glad I started this topic. Not only did it get Kenny to post

but it also got me thinking.

I do agree with Kenny for the most part. I feel that the game does deserve the respect of not self-serving. And I am now going to change my standards of self-serving. I know this sounds like a pretty wacked statement considering the "you should *never* self-serve" standard, but let me explain.

I am now never going to self serve unless it is just me and one other person in private, and we are both going back and forth skooling a particular move or combo. I'll never self-serve while freestyling because after reading all the posts I have to admit that it is dissing the game of freestyle.

Thanks Kenny for participating in this discussion and enlightening me.

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 13 Jan 2003 02:37

If someone gives you a courtesy toss and you catch it and start playing (like so many people do) is that a self serve?

Lotus reckons that not only should you never do that, you should also always try to finish your routine with a pass rather than a drop!

I'll have to wait until I play with a few more people before coming up with a serious opinion of my own.

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » 13 Jan 2003 03:18

Me and a couple of friends used to apply this principle for quite some time. Although what we did was just a little advanced circle kicking with a few tricks thrown in there. Someone could have the longest string but if he dropped it or made a really bad pass, the string would be labelled "non-existent". Like "Oh, you might think you just hit this and that, but we don´t acknowledge it, i.e. you didn´t!". This really helped to get people to make a controlled pass before they dropped the bag.

Mind you, this was all done in good humor and with no hard feelings involved. You were just mad at yourself sometimes, thinking "Why didn´t I pass after that last move, instead of trying another and dropping?".

Quite a good idea, IMO.

bake · Post by **bake** » 13 Jan 2003 11:48

Yo Yo what is the shizzel on the Nizzel?

I would have to agree with Allan 100%! People have taken self serving way to far. I see people self serve 3 and 4 times. Not only that they do it into a long string. I often get cold when people start taking lots of time self serving. It is ridiculous where it has gone because it is a foundation of our sport.

I don't even self serve if I am schooling with somebody!

If you drop on a toe stall and expect to get it back where is the flaw in logic?? Why are you dropping on a toe stall??

ninja · Post by **ninja** » 13 Jan 2003 13:30

Jeremy wrote:If someone gives you a courtesy toss and you catch it and start playing (like so many people do) is that a self serve?

Lotus reckons that not only should you never do that, you should also always try to finish your routine with a pass rather than a drop!

I'll have to wait until I play with a few more people before coming up with a serious opinion of my own.

I think thats just as bad as a self serve. They should be able to just do a toe stall or a kick and the initiate their run

bake · Post by **bake** » 14 Jan 2003 10:57

One more thing on self serving and breaking the fundemental rules of our sport. One thing I can't stand that I see often now is when you are in a circle and the bag go's flying, people grab it with there hands instead of kick it. It is called Footbag where you use your feet! I always try and save the hack by kicking it and pass it along. Don't use your hands unless you are picking it up and serving it to someone else. Use your feet!!!

CICFreestyler 17 · Post by **CICFreestyler 17** » 14 Jan 2003 11:48

Something else that is just about as bad as self serving is after you drop, passing it on to the next guy and then standing there looking at them almost like you are requesting it back. I have seen many players do this, including bapers and to me its just as bad as a self serve. You shouldn't expect it back and you shouldn't make the next person feel guilty for not giving it back! Like Kenny said, it should be the rare occasion that you get it back.

Brian Parsons
CIC

wicked · Post by **wicked** » 14 Jan 2003 14:07

How do you guys feel about bag switching???

i notice some kickers would juggle in, or toss in thier own bag, then when their run is finished they pass the originaly bag, still holding on to the one they kicked with. I am okay with this... Some people it bugs. i dont know.

Hey crack heads, with trials, you get to self serve all over the place.

What about net? Hey kenny why dont they throw the bag over the net instead of serving it to themself to serve. Is no self serving a golden rule of footbag in general, or just freestyle? I dont think this is fair. In every aspect of footbag besides foursquare and freestyle you have to serve it to yourself. (golf, trials, net, etc.) Unless thats voted off of course in four square, but still. Kenny, can you please change the golden rule of no self serving for freestyle. There should be a difference in the rules when it comes to shredding, and just simply going for full hacks all day. COME TO THE DARKSIDE KENNY hehe. (do you realize the type of power you have? you hold the keys to making self serving socially acceptable.) Of course if you disbanned self serving you wouldn't be the enforcer anymore. WHO out there would feel less guilty about self serving if the enforcer okayed it? I wouldn't think twice about it! Seriously kenny what you said about people not self serving around you... it is so true. Ive heard numerous people say they try and eliminate it from their game in your presence.

Senor Grommet · Post by **Senor Grommet** » 14 Jan 2003 14:13

Although I see self-serving as somewhat disrespectful in rare occasions, such as if a freestyler is abusing that priveledge while in my circle, I do not see the harm in the self serve.
For example, I often have the priveledge of playing with Big add Chad and Bryan Fournier, two BAP superstars. And then there's me. When we are in a circle, chad is busting 20 move strings and so is Fournier, but im lucky to get out a good 10 contacts, and often, I hit fewer. Sometimes I self serve. I know they dont mind, because they do it too. In fact, often I say to Chad: okay, hit mobius to barroque with the intent that i'm gunna give him about three attempts at a really diffucult combo. If he misses the first try and passes the bag to me, I NEVER accept it. I always passit back to him. After all, he is giving uphis turn to try to bust something that I asked of him. But, why does he even need to pass it to me? We both know Ill pass it back to him , so why not just self serve it Chad?

you guys get my drift?
The evil of the self serve only applies to when you are playing in unfamiliar circumstances, as far as Im concerned.
Jeremy

wicked · Post by **wicked** » 14 Jan 2003 14:26

Um yea, What senor grommet said.

QuantumBalance · Post by **QuantumBalance** » 14 Jan 2003 15:54

im so good at the'ing moves on purpose.. i refer to it as fakie, in fact i think i may have a fakie video.... right here:

oh well i couldnt find the video.. but here are some THE double ducks

http://www.penny-lane.com/shred/the2d.wmv

soon ill put a lot of footage online.. actually im about to move my computer into my room so ill bbl:)

Mezza550 · Post by **Mezza550** » 31 Jan 2003 00:07

test!

Tsiangkun · Post by **Tsiangkun** » 23 Feb 2003 12:40

bake wrote:One more thing on self serving and breaking the fundemental rules of our sport. One thing I can't stand that I see often now is when you are in a circle and the bag go's flying, people grab it with there hands instead of kick it. It is called Footbag where you use your feet! I always try and save the hack by kicking it and pass it along. Don't use your hands unless you are picking it up and serving it to someone else. Use your feet!!!

I wear glasses which just don't stay on while shredding. My area of focus is compromised, and in order to enjoy the sport I just catch the bag and drop it to myself. I really don't want a toss back or any other toss from some other person, I'm not going to be able to spot the bag and position to kick it in time and more often than not it drops anyway. Relax with the strict no self serve, blind people like to play too and I shouldn't have to wear glasses to recieve a crappy ass pass and then take them off while kicking the bag under controll. I can assure you the time it takes to walk my glass to a safe area and back to the circle is a much bigger disruption than just playing with a few hand catches. I would much prefer people just take a quick second than toss me the bag and stare at me so I feel sorry compelled to pass it back. . .this is much more disruptive to circle karma in my opinion.

FootbagginBum · Post by **FootbagginBum** » 23 Feb 2003 13:37

thats a good point, but its a special case, I don't think anyone would dispute you or other people who see the bag as a flying blur starting their run themselves, just as long as you don't self serve when you drop.

Getting to play with Sunil yesterday was hysterical, because he was going insane at the self serving, he finally fixed my club so they don't anymore, its great. Now if my club can understand the curtacy (sp?) better and pass it back when you miss your first serve because your talking to someone in the circle while they're tossing the bag to you, it would be great. There were prolly 30 times yesterday where I got distracted and missed the serve and didn't get it back, and it was a 6 person circle, so I had to wait a while, very annoying.

$2.22 · Post by **$2.22** » 23 Feb 2003 15:04

Tsiangkun wrote: I wear glasses which just don't stay on while shredding. My area of focus is compromised, and in order to enjoy the sport I just catch the bag and drop it to myself. I really don't want a toss back or any other toss from some other person, I'm not going to be able to spot the bag and position to kick it in time and more often than not it drops anyway. Relax with the strict no self serve, blind people like to play too and I shouldn't have to wear glasses to recieve a crappy ass pass and then take them off while kicking the bag under controll.

I used to have this problem. I had to have glasses on or i wouldn't play right. They used to fly off my head when i tried any spinning tricks. In response, I bought contacts. It fixed the problem. To be considerate of others in the circle with those self tosses, you might consider investing in some contact lens. And yes blind people like to play hacky sack too - to two too $2.22

Rock on Asian footbag!!

Hacky_Slacker · Post by **Hacky_Slacker** » 23 Feb 2003 23:44

*sniff*

i have no one eles to play with, so i HAVE to self serve, all the time. . *sniff*

Self Serving

Self serving is

Rather pass than drop

self serving is not so bad