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Post by Juan » 26 Apr 2005 22:25

Religion according to Marx (a Jew):

"Religion is the opium of the masses."

"Religion is the impotence of the human mind to deal with occurrences it cannot understand"

ps: "Philosophy is to the real world as masturbation is to sex"

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Post by professor » 27 Apr 2005 01:41

Ok I'm going to answer the questions and comments posted on this forum with mostly scripture from the Bible so you know this isn't just coming from me.
It pains me more to hear a christian tell me that I'm wrong for not believing the the bible. I have asked several christians the same question: If I live a good life, if I make myself as best as I can be, and do as much good as possible, but don't believe in Jesus and God, do I deserve to go to hell? All have answered yes!?!?!

8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God— 9 not the result of works, so that no one may boast. Ephesians 2:8-9

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Romans 3:23

15 and everyone who looks up to him, trusting and expectant, will gain a real life, eternal life. 16 "This is how much God loved the world: He gave his Son, his one and only Son. And this is why: so that no one need be destroyed; by believing in him, anyone can have a whole and lasting life. 17 God didn't go to all the trouble of sending his Son merely to point an accusing finger, telling the world how bad it was. He came to help, to put the world right again. 18 Anyone who trusts in him is acquitted; anyone who refuses to trust him has long since been under the death sentence without knowing it. And why? Because of that person's failure to believe in the one-of-a-kind Son of God when introduced to him. John 3:15-18


So, we are all dirt compared to God (who is perfect), we've all messed up and deserve hell no matter how good or righteous we are, but if you believe what Jesus said and what he did then you will have eternal life in heaven.

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Also I can't stand proselytizing. Trying to convert people, or worse, forcibly converting people makes me feel sick.

19 For God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself, no longer counting people's sins against them. This is the wonderful message he has given us to tell others. 20 We are Christ's ambassadors, and God is using us to speak to you. We urge you, as though Christ himself were here pleading with you, "Be reconciled to God!" 2 Corinthians 5:19-20

14 Also, we've seen for ourselves and continue to state openly that the Father sent his Son as Savior of the world. 1 John 4:14


15 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cross sea and land to make a single convert, and you make the new convert twice as much a child of hell as yourselves. Matthew 23:15


The Bible does not say to try and convert people to Christ. It says to tell people about what Christ did and the rest is between them and God. In the Bible the one place that I found the word convert was when Jesus was yelling at the pharisees (religious leaders of Jesus' time) for "converting" people to their wicked way of life. It is not a Christian's job to "save" or "convert" people, it is their job to tell others about Jesus and their experiences with God.

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Real question: Is turning to any "God" after tramatic experiences mentally healthy, when before you had no interest in religion? Your mind is in a state of pain anguish and almost anything sounds good to keep your mind off, even drugs. Is it right to change your beliefs to deal with stress?
4 "You're blessed when you feel you've lost what is most dear to you. Only then can you be embraced by the One most dear to you. Matthew 5:4

I think that some people have to be at their lowest point in life to realize that they've needed God all along.

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I think the @ORGANIZED_RELIGIONS places $DIETY'S choice of condemnation into the hands of man and his actions, but doesn't give man the ability to excape condemnation through his actions. It's a system that perpetuates man's need of the church, and places a permanent block between man and the $DIETY he claims to serve. All interaction with $DIETY is brokered by middle men, who just happen to pass around a $CASH_RECEPTICLE every meeting.

26 By faith in Christ you are in direct relationship with God. Galatians 3:26

As the very first verses above state, we can't do anything to save ourselves, but believe in Christ. The Bible states that, because of Christ, you don't have to go through anyone to have interaction/relationship with God.
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Post by Jeremy » 27 Apr 2005 03:01

I just wanted to say, ben you have the best signature ever! You make me want to re start the modified awards just so I can vote for you on that again... Awesome stuff!

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Post by comastalker » 27 Apr 2005 04:12

Juan wrote:Religion according to Marx (a Jew):

"Religion is the opium of the masses."

"Religion is the impotence of the human mind to deal with occurrences it cannot understand"
The first one is F.Nietzsche, not Marx, he just used it too.
The second one is by M.Bakunin, not Marx, he stole it (afa quotes can be stolen).
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Post by habitat » 27 Apr 2005 08:11

thanks ben, I was wondering if anyone was going to answer or respond to my questions, great info
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Post by comastalker » 27 Apr 2005 08:19

slapdash21 wrote:
Tsiangkun wrote:though i guess most people can recognize the potential democracy or america has, unless you are a communist, etc.
btw, most communists are democrats. There's no difference or contradiction. Don't confuse communism with marxism/leninism
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Post by Juan » 27 Apr 2005 11:09

comastalker wrote: The first one is F.Nietzsche, not Marx, he just used it too.
The second one is by M.Bakunin, not Marx, he stole it (afa quotes can be stolen).
my bad :roll: goes to show you cant always trust internet sources. i get mixed up with all these white guys anyways :wink:

anyways im down with the liberation theology of many religions 'til they get co-opted by colonial practices
It's set up like a deck of cards,
theyre sendin us to early graves
for the diamonds
they use a pair of clubs to beat the spades(ratm)
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Post by Seath » 27 Apr 2005 11:19

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Post by Tsiangkun » 27 Apr 2005 11:37

I love the way the christians in america turn evolution into a belief system.

You don't have to belief in evolution, it's an observable phenomenon, much like the surface of the earth. Both the genetic material of organisms and the earths surface are continuously changing in small increments.

Nobody says if you believe in erosion, you go to hell.

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Post by Seath » 27 Apr 2005 11:44

If I truly believed what... say... the roman catholics believed I would never leave the church (structure) and devote 25 hours of my day to praising god and thanking him for the small small chance to possibly spend eternity in total bliss. I would become a preist, and make my life 115% about praising god and jesus.

As I think all people who believe what they say should do.. I mean ETERNAL LIFE!! WTF!! I would not try to mess that chance up with meddling with trivial material things.
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Post by Seath » 27 Apr 2005 11:47

bah I gotta read my posts before posting them.

I know god and jesus are the same thing in the catholic church
and i also know that according to the catholics everyone has eternal life its where you spend it that you should be concerned about..
but none the less..
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Post by junkyardjew » 27 Apr 2005 12:00

Nobody says if you believe in erosion, you go to hell.
Hahah, clearly you haven't been paying attention to the level of discourse in the united states right now. A LOT of people say that if you believe in erosion you go to hell.

Erosion characteristics and rock-cycle theory show that the earth is many millions of years older than the christians say it is, so Imax movies about VOLCANOES are being banned in southern theaters because they suggest that the earth just might happen to be older than six thousand years...

You give people too much credit Tsaingkun.
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Post by Tsiangkun » 27 Apr 2005 12:04

Actually I had heard about that banning of IMAX movies . . . I may have spoken too quickly.

I don't know if it's funny or sad.

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Post by junkyardjew » 27 Apr 2005 12:07

mmm... I"m gonna go with "sad".

Also, one more post till you're 1337. (actually, i know you're a 1337 haxx0r already... hahah... ps, what linux distro do you use? I was thinking about installing ubuntu (the new one forked from debian) any suggestions?)

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Post by Seath » 27 Apr 2005 12:10

JARED HATH BEEN SMITTED BY THE WILL OF $DIETY
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Post by junkyardjew » 27 Apr 2005 12:17

Smitted? What, he's in love with me? Besides, I'm logged in as root, so I AM $DEITY.
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Post by Seath » 27 Apr 2005 12:26

i dun smitted my mom for making soggy broccoli

smote smitted its all the same, the main point is I missed the main point.
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Post by sampotter » 27 Apr 2005 14:14

junkyardjew wrote:Smitted? What, he's in love with me? Besides, I'm logged in as root, so I AM $DEITY.
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Post by BainbridgeShred » 27 Apr 2005 14:31

btw, most communists are democrats. There's no difference or contradiction. Don't confuse communism with marxism/leninism
Well, Communism implies a dictatorship. Socials does not however. Communism is a sub-group of Socialism that came from the drift between the Bolshevik's (More Communist) and the Mensheviks (More Socialist)
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Post by comastalker » 27 Apr 2005 15:07

BainbridgeShred wrote:
btw, most communists are democrats. There's no difference or contradiction. Don't confuse communism with marxism/leninism
Well, Communism implies a dictatorship. Socials does not however. Communism is a sub-group of Socialism that came from the drift between the Bolshevik's (More Communist) and the Mensheviks (More Socialist)
1.) where's your point ? (comunism went back to proudhon and he DOES NOT imply dictatorship; that's an interpretion)
2.) Bolschewiki literally means "majority" and Menschwiki "minority".

"As a theoretical social and economic system, communism would be a type of egalitarian society with no state, no privately owned means of production, no money and no social classes."
-wikipedia-

and communism did not evolve from any bolshevist and/or menschevist movement. If it evolved out of ANYTHING, then Mutualism.
And regarding Socialism :

Socialism is only an economic theory, it's like saying darwin wrote about sociology
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