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Post by Posi-Cole » 17 Jul 2004 20:50

Clipper
SET > CLIP [XBD][DEL]
http://www.hackrifice.com/minisooper/2clip.mpg

I'm putting this here because I didn't know where else to put it, plus I figure it will get the most responses here.

Lately, as those who have read my blog will know, I've been kicking with a new person, who is just starting to get into freestyle.

The long and the short of it is, while she is learning toe moves, clipper just isn't coming.

While I would think most people would fail at clipper either due to lack of balance, or lack of flex in the ankle, that doesn't seem to be her problem. She simply has bad timing. She'll often just kind of kick the bag instead of cushioning it down and delaying it. I've tried a number of different things, and she understands what she has to do, it just seems to be coming slowly. I'm just wondering if anybody has any good tips or drills or anything to help with someone's timing on a clipper, or even just general tips that may be able to help.

Thanks.
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Post by Shaun » 17 Jul 2004 21:37

Try getting here to put her foot in clipper position. Then just drop the bag down and cushion it and then pop it back up and catch it. Repeat thirs for a few mintues.

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Post by HackyRichard » 17 Jul 2004 22:55

Bearing in mind that I'm not an authority on anything, here's my advice:

1. Get those insides solid, I think you said she's already got those pretty good, but keep schooling those anyway

2. Then move onto wraps, this will help with any balance issues, it will also help with understanding how the support leg needs to work to support the catching leg (the cushioning effect if you will)

3. Then it's just a case of progressing onto handsetting into the clipper, remember start with low sets and gradually move to higher sets as confidence grows. Then you can move onto setting off any available setting point (kick, toe, clipper, head, knee, you get the idea)

Unfortunately it's a very foreign motion to come to terms with initially, so it basically boils down to taking baby steps and getting in a ton of practise, and if all else fails remember the fabled motto from Mike Anello's video, "Never give up"

I'm sure with you guys helping and encouraging her she'll get it and be busting it in no time, see you at worlds (5 days for me)
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Post by comastalker » 18 Jul 2004 03:44

yepp, to shool the delay motion, put the footbag on her foot in clipper position and let her throw it, maybe 10 cm/4 inches up and catch it again. This will make the delay motion become a lot more precise and is always good, even after one year of footbag training (e.g. when setting for swirls)
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Post by brian relly » 18 Jul 2004 05:59

Wraps really really help. That's what I used to do. Just get her to do wraps and reverse wraps back and forth (both sides).

Also, train her to crank that ankle as flat as possible (you know, the whole Curl up your toes thing, strain your ankle to make the surface super flat. Casually standing around on your ankles when you're not kicking (i.e. during school or something) helps with this too.)

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Post by Colin » 18 Jul 2004 07:33

I know you said that her main problem was timing, but one thing that really helped me learnnig my flipside clipper was a tip with the toes. Not to curl them up, per say, but to push out with your pinky toe, and pull back with your big toe, flattening out the rest of your foot that little bit extra.

I now do this all the time with both of my feet, especially when trying to do steping stuff.
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Post by C-Fan » 03 Oct 2004 19:49

My tips for clippers.

1. Bend the knee of your support leg. Just like toe stall, bending the knee on the support leg gives you more cushion and a bigger window to land the stall.

2. Start your delay later than you think you should. Don`t start moving your delay foot (your clipper foot) until the bag touches it. Some people start the delay motion before the bag touches, this is a mistake.

3. Turn your shoulders in the direction of the bag. Ideally, you want your head directly over the bag. In order to do this, turn your shoulders in the direction of the bag, and lean over it.

4. Play on your toes. The foot of your support leg shouldn`t be flat on the floor. Ideally, this foot should hit the floor toes first, and then flatten out til the sole touches the floor. Like step 1, this gives you more time and cushion.

5. As stated before, practicing wraps and inside stalls helps you learn what position your stall foot needs to be in, and helps with balance.

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Post by comastalker » 04 Oct 2004 00:52

aehmm....the last post was in july c-fan...
but anyway it's good for the search function
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['is it bad if my clippers touch the ground?']

Post by Faco » 27 May 2005 00:25

Ok, here's the thing. I recently noticed that I touch the ground when I delay Clipper moves. I realised that by the damage on the outside-front of my Lavers (the damage is also from Swirls :wink: ).

Is it bad for your style/Stepping set/artistic imp./linking tricks to do that?
Do YOU do that?

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Post by Dat » 27 May 2005 00:35

I used to do that. I think it comes from bad balance. It's not good style plus it makes it harder to keep the bag on your foot. Definitely makes it harder to link tricks. Try to contact the footbag higher so you have more room to stall and don't hit the ground. Also work on your balance. Good job on noticing that you do this.

edit:

Maybe you're trying to stall using just your clipper leg, not enough with your support leg. Make sure your support knee bends some as you stall.
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Post by Faco » 27 May 2005 15:07

Yeah, I know about the support leg being bended :D


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It really feels better not to touch it
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Post by Kerr » 27 Dec 2005 14:57

I have clippers down fine, but I can't set the bag to do a second one. It goes out in front of me. Is there any thing I can do to fix it?

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Post by Shredder- » 27 Dec 2005 15:45

What I did was just do a clipper, then catch. Practice making it go straight up. Then try to string 'em together.. Thats what I do..might be other ways :?
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Post by hackeysnacker » 27 Dec 2005 19:09

make sure ur support leg is donating 50% of the movement to set it, if the stalling leg is the only leg moving to set the bag out of a clipper it won't go straight up, but rather travel across ur body in front of u. planting ur setting leg between clip> ss clip> ss clip helps the timing and motion a lot.

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Post by hakkpakk » 05 Jan 2006 19:00

I am also trying to tie both clippers together but I am always late in getting down my flipside. When I try and get down my flipside, I am rushed to get it down. I stumble when I make contact with the bag, like I fall back a little bit. Maybe the bag doesnt have enough hangtime for me to get in position. But I practice about 20 minutes(4 sets of 5 minute continuous clippers) on my flipside. Hopefully I'll get better.

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Post by hackeysnacker » 05 Jan 2006 19:05

if u're stumbling it's probably because you are leaning back on your heel w/ ur support leg as you are stalling the bag. Keep on your toes - once u get used to it the rythm it gets a lot easier

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Post by Troyson » 05 Jan 2006 19:20

i found that this helps alot....do a clipper, and then do somewhat of a hop into the next clipper, and then repeat into op clipper again. When i first started trying clipper>op clipper i wouldnt do the hop and it was much harder. Since ive started doing the little hop in between it helps me stay balanced, gives me better sets, and gives me much more control and consistency. I hope this helps you out.

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Post by hackeysnacker » 05 Jan 2006 19:22

yeah that toe hop is key

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Post by quadgun » 05 Jan 2006 23:23

I didn't read what was written in here ... but

Take the bag in one of you're hands, whatever is more comfortable, and just let the bag drop and stall it in a clipper stall, then try setting it right back to your hand. and then repeat.

I think that would help ya out in setting it up straight ... since you wont be worrying about catching it again, for now, and all you'll worry about is the stall and the set,

another problem could be that you're thinking about it too much and then going too fast. since you said that the bag is flying in front of you, you're probably not going down with the bag, istead, as the bag is coming down, your foot is going back up a little, and it turns out to be more of a kick.

also to get a flatter clipper to help you out with the set .... bend down on your support leg, and pushh off of that leg to givve the bag its leverage.

::edit::
i read through this really quickly ... and let me get this straight

you're having trouble going clipper>same clipper>same clipper or clipper>op clipper> op clipper?

my tips are mainly for same clippers

when you go for the next clipper, right after you set the bag, put your stalling foot down to get you balance and to spot the bag, so that you can adjust in any way possible.

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Post by Muffinman » 23 Feb 2006 04:34

CLIPPER

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crazygeminirider wrote :
PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 1:37 pm

clipper hits and stalls..im so lost..i just cant get them...i looked through
all the other clipper threads and they are not helping..any help?
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ana_ali wrote :
PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 2:36 pm

Would you mind posting to the same topic BEFORE STARTING A NEW ONE - 'cause
this is how the nuubs lost their mind while searching tips from 30,000,000
different locations - please.

Sorry, but even if you read the tips offered in the other topic, it will
take some time before you can do Clippers. There is no magic involved,
you'll just have to keep skooling.

Clipper kicks? ummm - if you want to play the same freestyle as the most of
us do, I would recommend to leave 'em. Practice stalls.

For Clipper Stalls... skool Inside Stalls, Wraps and Hop Overs.

Wrap = Inside Stall -> move stalling foot in x-body position.

Hop Over = Inside Stall -> jump over the stalling foot with your supportive
foot so that you end up in Clipper stall.

That should to the trick. Just keep it up.


(oh god...)
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BainbridgeShred wrote
PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 3:24 pm

Remember, keep some space between your setting and your support leg as you
come down in the cross body posistion for the stall. It seems natural to try
and balance your catching leg against your support leg, but not so!

Also, bend your support knee like you just got kicked in the nuts... Not
literally, on the ground crying while cradiling your region is not the
proper stance for hein clipperage!

Seriously though when I was learning clipper my biggest problems was not
bending my support leg enough in the knee to cradle it well enough.

Also, especially for your flipside, remember to open your shoulders the the
side you are catching the back on ie if it is your right foot performing the
stall make sure your body (mainly hips and back) has your ches facing the
stalling foot! On a related note also look down at the bag as you catch it .
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Jeremy wrote
PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 6:51 pm

Since there are four different clipper tip topics - I'm locking three of
them - if you have questions about clippers post them in that topic after
you've read the whole thing!!

Edit - what's more - I notice you've started two of the clipper topics
Shocked

The whole reason we have a sub forum just for trick tips is so that we can
keep things organised and the same topics don't keep coming up. There is
nothing wrong with posting in an old topic if you have something to add to
it or to ask!
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FootBaGGeRKiDwrote
PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 6:51 pm

I'm very new to footbagging and i need some tips on how to do the clipper
stall

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ebo wrote :
PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 7:59 pm

Welcome to the forum!

Before you start asking for advice, it's always helpful to look around
and use the search function. many, many topics have already been
discussed and there's a good chance you may find the answer there.

For example, here is a thread about clippers, I'm sure there's more in the
Trick Tips section, but that should do.

Hope this helps!
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FootBaGGeRKiD wrote
PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 8:20 pm

Thanks man
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Jordan Wong wrote
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:09 am

Just wondering Footbaggerkid , Can you kick pretty well?
Kicking is definately a foundation. Can you alternate kicks (Expample: right
inside kick>left inside kick>right inside kick)? Kicking will teach you
control with the bag. You won't have to do clipper stall for a while untill
you can kick the bag like it ain't no thang. And then from there you should
learn toe stalls...

Welcome to the World of Footbag
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FootBaGGeRKiD wrote
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 9:35 pm

lol, sort of, but this weekend i am getting new shoes, so i am sort of
waiting for that
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ninja wrote
PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 1:21 am

Incase you dont know, Adidas Rod Lavers are the shoes to get for footbag so
thats something u might want to consider for new shoes .
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zachatree wrote
PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 7:54 am

ya rods are the way to go bro, for sure! Cliper stalls are pretty easy, just
Do it Smile nah its all in balance and the way u can bend, watch videos and
demos on the cliper stall on www.flipsider.com and www.monsterhack.com takes
a little time to be abule to cliper stall and set back up from a cliper at
first, once u got it tho every thing will start comeing along .

ps.
like i said its all about balance so beary a 5X2 round stock cold rolled
steal bar (soilded prefly) in the ground 2 feet, then ballance on top of it
with one foot. This exsersize has helped me alot
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FootBaGGeRKiD wrote
PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 7:05 pm

thanks, lol, i will probably go wit the lavers, thanks again

well now i can get about 10 on average doing left right left right
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FootBaGGeRKiD wrote
PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 9:47 am

well i can still only get like 10 on average doing left right left right
left right, any tips?
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dblthnk84 wrote


PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 1:06 pm
Just keep kicking. If your getting frusterated you might want to try some
toe stalls, but it takes time. To only way to get this stuff down is through
practice or making a deal with the devil.
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FootBaGGeRKiD wrote
PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 4:55 pm

yup, now with the help of new shoes i just beat my record and i can get like
15 in a row
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ninja wrote
PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 6:16 pm

Have you modded your lavers? Theres a lacing mod and mods for the shoe
itself. Do a search and ull find out about them .
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FootBaGGeRKiD wrote
PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 6:53 pm

i'm not using lavers, i couldn't find them in any of the stores i went to
and my parents are big on ordering over the internet, i will take a pic of
the shoes i have now, there sketchers
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JFootbagger wrote
PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 7:05 pm

I'm sure you could give worldfootbag a call. They DO have a phone number,
and then you can order by phone and then send a money order by mail .
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FootBaGGeRKiD wrote

PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 7:45 pm
maybe, but my shoes that i just got are pretty nice, so its all good, here
they are:


sorry for the pic being so big
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rye wrote
PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 10:02 am

yeah those look like the same concept at the laver's
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Seath wrote
PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 11:53 am
hmm, they look a little heavy.. Are you willing to mod those? If not I'd
highly suggest buying some lavers or ordering them off worldfootbag.com.

You could definitely improve the toebox on those shoes and I'm sure you
could remove some side layers if you're willing to put them under the knife.
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FootBaGGeRKiD wrote
PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:58 pm

of course i will mod them, lol, just tell me what to do

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Seath wrote
PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 6:27 pm

Well it's kinda hard to tell you exactly what to do as I have no idea what
the shoes look like inside the layers.. aw fuck my monitor is changing
colours I think it's about to burst fuck thats just what I need a new
monitor fuck i cant afford that shit... uh sorry yea the toe box can be
opened up if you slide a exacto knife under the piece of leather that has
the string eyelets, right where it's sewed to the toe of the shoe, but on
second thought that toe doesn't make sense.. I dunno man, bring your shoes
to the nearest experienced shredder and ask them lol..
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FootBaGGeRKiD wrote
PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 9:54 pm

i think i got it, i will post a pic later
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FootBaGGeRKiD wrote
PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 6:12 pm
god, when doing left right left right left right left right i always seem to
kick the bag at an angle with both feet, anyone know how i can fix this
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rye wrote
PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 6:25 pm

I don't , my clipper's are mad hurtin, just keep practicing, lol
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JFootbagger wrote

PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 5:12 pm

Inside stalls help out a TON.
also practicing the clipper motion will help, like if
you're sitting in a chair, practice moving your foot
up and down in the X-BODY possion. That'll help, and
stretchin' out your ankles.

EDIT: I think it's a good practice to catch the bag more so on your "foot"
than have the bag hanging for dear life on the edge near the sole.
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LittleBoy footbag wrote
PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2004 4:51 pm

See, I try to learn it like this (took me about 4 weeks to get it down)

inside stall>clipper
toe stall>clipper
outside stall>clipper
and just drop it onto your footb and little by little, increase the height
of the bag droppage.

Like JFootbagger said,m inside stalls are a must. I also incorporate footbag
into my obsessive life. Wherever I sit or stand, I do certain tricks or warm
ups just to kill my legs into shape.
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peanutbuterboy wrote
PostPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 9:29 pm

My favorite stall is an inside because its just so cool lookin. You can also
do shit with it like bustin out ATW with your insides intead of you toes (I
dont think thats a seperate trick...if it is correct me) and it looks mighty
fine.
But for clipper you have to have inside stall down pat...and do both sides
baby Laughing
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JFootbagger wrote
PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 7:17 pm

What I even do, just to build up my clipper stalls, is to just keep going
back to them and practice. Like at a sesh, I'll do some strings, and then I
do a clipper drill, and repeat. This way, you can work on your clippers and
you keep all your strings fresh in your mind.
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tuomoruutufan wrote
PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 9:19 am

Ok so im schooling clip.

My clip toe taps the ground, i cant control my set and bag almost always
hits my body.

I know practice practice practice but i do practice and i practice both
sides and i only feel very little progress if any.

and when i try to go from left to right or vise versa i cant do that shuffle
step i always instictivly try doing it the op side clip in the same spot
same position.
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peanutbuterboy
PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 10:00 am
tuomoruutufan wrote:

I know practice practice practice

You are right .
It may be mind over footbag. Dont get upset just be like "Bummer I dropped
it. I get to try again YIPPEEE!" Have fun man.
It does not matter. I have a horrible learning curve at footbag.
It took me a long time to get my clippers the way they are, but because of
practice I rarely miss.

Do the ankle stretches and all and get the foot flat so your toes dont
touch. I
dont know how to explain it but I think I curl up my toes a a bit on
clipper, and bend my support leg just a smidgen.
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tuomoruutufan wrote
PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 11:02 am

yes i curl my toes and my stall surface cant be any flatter. The weakside
could be flatter but still they are both flat enough.

Its just frustrating that i feel a lack of development with the trick when i
practice them so hard
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Seath wrote
PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 11:16 am

I feel your pain man, it took me a while just to get it on my strong side,
then even longer for my flipside, but IT DOES COME :D:D:D:D
it's all about how focused you are, try not to let the disapointment felt
from not seeing progress right away get to you.
It will come as long as you stay focused and keep practicing, some people
just dont learn as fast as others. It took me a while..
maybe try drilling some other component for your next practice session and
then come back to clippers the next time.
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Dat wrote
PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 12:39 pm

You might not be balancing correctly. Are you setting it into your body
because you're rushing the clipper because you're feeling like you're
falling over?
When your balance is right you should get plenty of time to slowly guide the
footbag up so it doesn't hit you.

First you should have good inside stalls. If you can't do those yet work on
those some more.

To do clipper:

Lets assume you're doing a right foot clipper and you're standing facing the
footbag falling in front of you. It shouldn't feel like it's beside you to
the left.
Doing that sets you up to balance wrong.

Lift your left leg and carry it across using your hip and have it somewhere
in front of where your right foot currently is.
Your hips should be turned to the right and your left thigh should now be
behind the footbag.

Gently push off your right foot and shift your weight off your right foot
and onto your left foot.

Tuck your right leg so that your lower right shin is behind your left knee
and slowly start lowering your right leg.

Bend your knee to lower yourself with the footbag to catch it. Matt Cross
likes to describe this as "sitting".

The whole time it should feel comfortable and easy to balance. You should be
able to look down at the bag in front of you,
the same way you would look down at an inside stall. If you lift your arms
straight forward it kinda defines a box between
your arms and in front of you. The footbag should not stray out of this box.
If it does, move this box so the bag is back inside of it.

The difference between inside stall and clipper stall is that your support
leg is now on the other side of your inside stall foot and
your hips turned away from the footbag.

Try to do this as slow as you can. It might help to try from going inside
stall > clipper. You should also try setting it from both toes too.

Hopefully this makes some sense. There's more I could write about but I
gotta go do some homework now.
Good
luck.
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crazydwarf wrote
PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 2:40 pm
yes i curl my toes and my stall surface cant be any flatter

Ok, I'm not 100% positive on this, so someone back me up here, but on
clippers I think your supposed to push
your toes against the soles of your shoes, not curl them up toe stall
style.
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peanutbuterboy wrote
PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 2:51 pm

Well when I curl they push against the sole...

I have never curled for toe stalls. Does it
help?
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tuomoruutufan wrote
PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 6:24 pm

I had a pretty good session today with CIC: tom and zeke.
My clippers felt better i could see the improvement when i was able to set a
weakside cliper nicely into an osis and
i was able to set from Strong side clip to a nice duck but wasnt ready for
it on the other side but just the fact i wanted
to set for a duck and a did set for a duck felt good. I also dont know if it
makes a difference that i was cliping significantly
better today while using a mini 32 than i do at home with my mr sand bags .
It seems like when starting footbag its hard to find consistency in how a
session goes.
some sessions i feel real solid and feels like the tricks that should be
schooled never miss and then it will be vice versa the next day.

Im not gonna be to worried about it i sometimes forget that i practice
everday and i have the problem to where i expect results everyday.

Thanks for the tips, the one thing i read that will help is to set higher up
into the clip. you are very much right that when i do a bad setup set i
loose my
balance.
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CIC flurry wrote
PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 9:07 pm

Clippers do just take time. The ankle flexibility alone. I was chekcing out
your ankles today, Shawn, and it will eventually get flatter (parallel with
ground).
The same goes for control.

I know many people that struggle to get a good clipper for a while. My flip
clipper sucked for so long,and was killing my flip side moves (practice both
sides Smile ).

Don't sweat it. Just diversify a little in your practice if you're getting
bored,and time will take care of
all.

Tom
CIC
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logan wrote
PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 5:22 pm

hey guys, I have been footbaging about 4-5 months now. You might have seen
my newbie vid in the video section. I need a little help if you don't mind.
First of all, the trick that is troubling me the most is my clipper stall
flipside. I can do it on my natural foot, but that flipside is killing me,
any tips?
Also. I have been landing this trick lately,but don't know what it is.

toe stall > op in-out dex > same toe stall

is it called a
pickup?
thanks.
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SandWraith wrote
PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 5:41 pm
yes, that is a pickup. A good site for determining what a move is based on
its Jobs' is:
http://www.geocities.com/trippderelict/
or
http://www.footbag.com.pl/freestyle-vie ... e-130.html

And as for tips on clippers, try searching the forum. There must be over a
hundred topics on how to do clippers between modified and footbag.org's
forums.
Just click the little 'search' button near the top middle of this window
and type in 'clipper' in the search bar.
Plus, then you can read feedback on what worked and what didn't work for
people!

Good
luck.
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Chim-Chim wrote
PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 6:44 pm It's probably the position of your
support
leg.

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Blackend wrote
PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:59 am

Flipside clipper:

-bend the support leg
-curl your toes
-bring the foot down with the bag
-if at first you don't succeed, try, try
again

Voila.
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4.

Shredder wrote
PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 7:23 pm

Hey,

I've been try to get the clipper down. I can do flying clipper but clipper
has me stumped.
When I move my leg around my support leg to kick my footbag, it isn't flat,
my toe is pointed to the ground.
I can't change this! Does anyone have the same problem?
Suggestions?
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BalinorNZ wrote
PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 7:58 pm

I good way to learn to clipper, is do an inside stall (if you don't know how
to do this, put ur foot sideways on the ground, put the bag on it, lift it
up)
then hold your foot stead and move it round your support leg till you end
up in a clipper position.
This is much eaiser than stalling it stright off and forces you to bend your
support leg properly and
keep your clipper foot flat enough for the bag to stay on.

The shoes you wear will also help or hinder clippers significantly depending
on if they have too much ankle support.

Hope that
helps.
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freestyler4life wrote
postPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 8:28 pm

dude, there is cliiper help and information all over this site, just look
around, try other pages, cause this is just another "clipper help" post.


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snafu1322 wrote
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:58 am

Whats a good way to get my foot flatter when i do
clippers?

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WiGeek wrote
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 10:41 am

Delays? I'd just recommend dropping it to that side a couple times to get
the feel before you kick to delay...
For me to keep my foot more flat, I bend my knees WITH the footbag a little
bit plus I turn my body JUST A TAD so I can catch it on the side...

Kicks? I don't really know how to explain this, just drop and kick, and
build up confidence to kick then kick... Smile

If this doesn't help, I'm sorry... I'll try and help you out
later...
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Moxie wrote
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 11:30 am
snafu1322 wrote:
Whats a good way to get my foot flatter when i do clippers?
Bend your support leg more. Also practice your inside
stalls.
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522�Troyson wrote
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:00 pm

Find a cd case or a small book...place it on your foot in the clipper
position and try and slowly move it
up and down to help with the motion of the clipper...do this every night for
a couple weeks and ur foot
will be flatter in no time...thats what ive been doing and theres a
noticeable
difference.
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Blackend wrote
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:52 pm

-Bend your support leg.
-Drill insides.
-Drill both sides.

Here's a couple of "stretches" that I've found that help clippers (I'm not
sure if they're really stretches or not, but they worked for me).

Put one foot on the ground, with the outside of your foot on the ground and
inside facing up.
Make sure it's in the x-bod position and apply the pressure by putting
weight on that leg.
If it seems a bit un-understandable, then don't try it.

The other one is find a table about coffee table height and place your foot
on the table.
Turn your foot so your inside is facing you and the outside is away.
Try to keep your foot at around a 90 degree angle as much and as long as
possible. Switch feet and repeat.

Hope these help.

Hopovers, walkovers, and wraps help with clippers, too, I've
found.
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snafu1322 wrote
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 8:06 pm
Also practice your inside stalls.
My insides are fine just cant get them flat on clippers and thanks Blackend
the steaches
helped.
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sen
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 8:32 am

My flip clipper isn't very good so last ngiht I did this:
clipper > wrap > clipper on that side and reapeated it over and over. I
could already see
improvment.

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WiGeek wrote
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:00 am

How do you clipper to wrap? Wouldn't that be like an anti wrap or something?
Or did you do Clipper > Inside >
Wrap?
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sen wrote
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:18 am

I dunno, I guess it would be a reverse wrap, but I don't think it matters to
much.
I did it backwards because I wan't more concentration to be on catching a
clipper stall than on the inside
stall.
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Toby wrote
PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 11:04 pm

I don't think stretching you ankle is a good idea at all. It weakens your
ankles and results in injury, as my friend Nic found out.
It is probably faster to do stretches short term, but the months Nic spent
waiting for his ankles to heal after injuring himself made it not worth it.
Do inside stalls, wraps. The book trick mentioned above works, but isn't
very
fun.
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BalinorNZ wrote
PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 11:14 pm
Blackend wrote:
Put one foot on the ground, with the outside of your foot on the ground and
inside facing up.
Make sure it's in the x-bod position and apply the pressure by putting
weight on that leg.
If it seems a bit un-understandable, then don't try it.

I would recomend you do not do this. Here is why:
If you stand on the outsides of your feet and use your body weight to
streach your ankles,
it is not building muscle in your ankle at all so it isn't actually making
them more flexible,
what it really does is loosen the ligaments in your ankle that stop it from
rolling if you land on it badly.

So you end up with weak ankles with no muscle built, but you can bend them
flat because the ligaments
are so loose. And as soon as you land badly when your playing, your ankle
will roll and in worst case
you may get a 3rd degree sprain which means ripped ligament and 4-6 months
off footbag.

Many good ways have been listed to do work to increase ankle flex which
actually build your ankle muscle
(like holding a clipper with a heavy book and lifting it up and down while
you watch TV).

Good
luck!
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Blackend wrote
PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 7:27 pm

Meh, if you say so, then don't do it. It's worked fine for me. Possibly
because I don't roll my
ankles.
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Markusss1988 wrote
PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:16 am
BalinorNZ wrote:
I would recomend you do not do this. Here is why:
If you stand on the outsides of your feet and use your body weight to
streach your ankles,
it is not building muscle in your ankle at all so it isn't actually making
them more flexible,
what it really does is loosen the ligaments in your ankle that stop it from
rolling if you land on it badly.

So you end up with weak ankles with no muscle built, but you can bend them
flat because the ligaments
are so loose. And as soon as you land badly when your playing, your ankle
will roll and in worst case
you may get a 3rd degree sprain which means ripped ligament and 4-6 months
off footbag.

Many good ways have been listed to do work to increase ankle flex which
actually build your ankle muscle
(like holding a clipper with a heavy book and lifting it up and down while
you watch TV).

Good luck!
it's the first time i read this!
everyone recommends stretching the ankle by putting your body weight on it!
but if this is not good for the ankle, i'm gonna try your exercise (don't
know if it's the fitting word here...
Confused)
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krawallier wrote
PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 1:57 pm

toni from berlin hurt his ankles a longer time ago and since then he totally
lost his clipper game/strength.
recently a physiotherapist told him, to get his muscles and ligaments in
better shape again / to get a better clipper,
a good excercise is when you walk to always have a smooth step (i don't know
the exact english term for it,
in german it is "abrollen" - roll step !?!) i.e. touch the ground with your
heel first, then the middle foot,
then the ball of the foot and toes last. when you lift your hell lifts
first, ..., toes last.
technically everybody should be doing this anyways, since it is more healthy
also for your back. some people tend not to do this though.

having a roll step should improve your clipper strength which is essential
for a good crank. this might be of high intersest to some people...
and yes ian, i am looking at
you....
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DanielWhittle wrote
PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:47 am

My right side ones are really good now and i can do them really well.

I have been working on my left clippers for a few days now and i seem to be
doing something to make them roll off.
Im just not getting that feel when i stall that i get on my right foot
clippers.

Can anyone please give me advice, when my left clippers get better, my game
is going to improve so much.

Also whenever i try clipper to clipper, i always start with my strong one,
and when i try to land my left one
it always rolls off or i do it but lose my balance stepping backwards.

Help greatly appreciated so i can overcome this problem and move up a
level.

Thanks,
Dan
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NuR wrote
PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:16 am

The solution for your clipper problems is to be found in the place
where this quest for help is from : you :D
You already know what to do - transfer your own clipper knowledge
to the under-used side of your body and practice your ass off.

Do flip clipper>catch>analysis rpt ; find out what it is that your flip
clipper needs : better posture, is the foot parallel to the ground,
do you really delay and so on .

This is how i learnt them anyway, hopefully this helps you a little .

Stay focused and keep your goal in mind anytime you get frustrated :
bothsided clipper are soooo important
!
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shredzilla wrote
PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:45 am
A good drill to start is weak inside stall>weak clipper stall.
Another good one is clipper>catch>opp clipper>catch rpt. I did that, and it
really helped in getting the rythym for clipper>opp
clipper.
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DanielWhittle wrote
PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:49 am

Ok, I will try those drills.

I know how important it is to do both side clippers so thats why im putting
myself through this important learning curve.
I just gotta keep trying and remember my
goal.
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mosher wrote
PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 12:18 pm

Here's a really important tip, you said that you always do strong side then
go to weak side and fuck up, do the complete opposite!!

I find that to really help me learn a weak concept is to do the shitty one
first, if you are doing a series of alternating clippers
you should start on the weak one so that it forces you to hit one on that
side in order to get a series of them going.
You may also find that the number you can achieve soon begins to increase as
you get more comfortable hitting the weak one.

Also, the most imporant thing to remember is that you already know how to do
the trick! You can hit strong side clippers
so just transfer the knowledge to the other side of your body, it really is
that simple!
There is no fancy trick to flipside ANYTHING, just do it like the other side
does it and BAM your flipside disappears!

Also, from now until you have evened out your sides I insist that you do AT
LEAST twice as many weakside clippers
as strongside ones, a major MAJOR determining factor in how good you are at
a trick is how many times you've tried it.

good luck!
:)
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Villhaven wrote
PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:23 pm

I can't seam to clipper with my main side (right) for crap. My right toe
angles towards the ground severly when I try this.
I can do it quite a bit better with my left side. Just wondering if anyone
has had this problem and how they worked on it.
Thanks
much.
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Bagira wrote
PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:46 pm

Yeah. I rarely manage to land a clipper. partly because of that and partly
because I don't know the movements naturally
and partly because I am not wearing footbagging shoes.

What you can do is try twisting your foot sideways (as if you are about to
do an inside stall) and pushing the pinky toe
into the ground to stretch the ankles. Over the week or two I've been doing
it, it definitely helps. Don't do it too much.
Pain isn't always a good thing.

Another thing you can try doing is a 'wrap'. Do an inside stall and bring
the stalling foot behind in clipper position with the footbag staying on the
foot.
I have only done it a few times and it's really annoying with a shoe which
isn't flat and doesn't have a proper insole.

If those don't work at first, keep trying. I am sure that eventually, I will
be able to do a clipper delay.

Eventually.
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jake wrote
PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 11:30 pm

i've got the same problem my toe just like will point down at the
floor
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hackeysnacker wrote
PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 11:59 pm

get lavers and a sandbag and practice
cushion the impact by bending ur support knee slightly
stretch ur ankles
don't bother with any of the above unless u can kick the bag with your
inside, outside, and toe
surfaces
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Villhaven wrote
PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 12:41 am
hackeysnacker wrote:
get lavers and a sandbag and practice
cushion the impact by bending ur support knee slightly
stretch ur ankles
don't bother with any of the above unless u can kick the bag with your
inside, outside, and toe surfaces
Not sure I get the end of what you are saying there.
Did you mean can't? I can do all those kicks with ease.
Not sure what you are getting at. Thanks for the info though
everyone.
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TheVindicator wrote
PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 7:58 am

He meant what he said-CAN-

You have your basics down-now you need the right equipment.
You're ready to freestyle man and these are all that's keeping you from it.

Get Lavers, Get a Sandbag, and practice. I just talked with a personal
trainer
[because we shredded at a gym yesterday :) and he gave me some good advice
on it-I'll post it
later]
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Villhaven wrote
PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 9:00 am

Already got the lavers and a sandbag. I can do legovers and mirages with
both sides.
Just was having problems with the clipper delays. Thanks for the advice,
just gonna practice that much
more.
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DanielWhittle wrote
PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 9:43 am

Maybe your posture isn't right so your toes want to face down,

Remember your support leg nice to go across the front of your body slightly
to give your ankle room to crank your foot.
If you are facing forwards it will be a lot harder to
land.
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JFootbagger wrote
PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:32 am

Point A is the heel and Point B is where your toes are:
-Point A and Point B should align and be level
-To do this, you point your toes up and they should face out
or ---->

the main focus is to crank your foot flat obviously...but this is how I
think of
it
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Villhaven wrote
PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:45 pm

JFootbagger man thanks for the advice. I'm not sure if you meant point your
toes up but I was always curling my toes for some reason.
Now that I concentrate on pointing them up I have done 3 or for fairly
decent clippers.
Gonna have to work on this after bowling tonight. Thanks again
everyone.
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Bander87 wrote
PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 9:41 pm

Clippers take a long long time, so don't get
discouraged!
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[]davey M. wrote[/b]
PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 9:41 pm


http://www.modified.ca/footbag/viewtopic.php?t=12140
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hackeysnacker wrote
PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 9:44 pm

http://www.modified.ca/footbag/viewtopi ... ht=#215980

check it
out
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JFootbagger wrote
PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 10:10 am
Villhaven wrote:
JFootbagger man thanks for the advice. I'm not sure if you meant point your
toes up but I was always curling my toes for some reason.
IF you look at the diagram your toes should be pointed upward...as in to
keep the allignment with the heel.
If your toes drag, the allignment is off causing the bag to roll. Curling
your toes bennefits because it gives you more control of your
foot.
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Zeb Jackson wrote
PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 11:36 am

but yeah i think it helped me alot to learn how to set the bag on the
clipper
is by setting the bag on my foot as if it had already been clippered,
and moving from outside to inside or from clipper to inside delay just back
and forth slowly,
i did this and it helped me improve on my clippers 10 fold .

another thing that can help you clipper is hopping. if you hop to get the
bag it makes it a lot easier to bend your knee to reach the footbag

i hoped this helped a little bit man

Keep
shredding!@
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jake wrote
PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 8:11

im gonna practice right
now
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dontlikespam wrote
New postPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 9:41 am
JFootbagger wrote:



Point A is the heel and Point B is where your toes are:
-Point A and Point B should align and be level
-To do this, you point your toes up and they should face out
or ---->

the main focus is to crank your foot flat obviously...but this is how I
think of it
See, my problem is i cant flex my ankle enough to get my toes that high.
In reality my toes would be down where the "M" is at the end of "DIAGRAM".
I simply cannot get my toes to get even close to as high as the ones in the
picture.
I can only get it that high if i were to grab my toes and pull them upward
with my hand.
I don't think i'll ever even get close to getting them that high.
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dontlikespam wrote
New postPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 6:46 pm

My post doesn't really work without that diagram. Could you put that back in
there please?
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(A HUUUUUGE thank you to Daryl Canady for decyphering this entire mass-post!!)
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