Double ATW (DATW)

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Which ATW direction is easier???

in to out
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58%
out to in
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42%
 
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Post by janis » 02 Jun 2006 07:06

Well, I still haven't hit double ATW yet, I can hit dso sometimes and pixie same mirage but DATW just isn't working :?

woah, first post was in january 8O

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Post by Uranos » 02 Jun 2006 07:40

Having a pixie set would help for datw inout but i never think datw as a pixies set. You set straight then start dexing. twice. not fast but controlled.
It probably helps to do the motion heaps without that bag and the 2 dexes should be tight and not so big. Watch vasek do a datw it looks just about as easy as anything he does.
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Post by hackeysnacker » 02 Jun 2006 08:00

try setting for around a waist height atw so that by the time u dex the bag it's at the height it would be to do a [normally set/knee height] atw. This helped me to learn it.. eventually it just feels like atw

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not fast but controlled.

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Post by Jeremy » 02 Jun 2006 20:09

yeah I think I've got fairly good pixie sets on both sides and I find out to in much easier on both sides. I pretty much never hit it in to out, although I do hit terrage and double pickup occasionally and I did learn it in to out first. I remember a long time ago somebody posted saying that out to in is physically easier for your body because of something to do with your hip joints. I can't remember the details though.

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Post by james_dean » 03 Jun 2006 01:08

I find out to in easier, and I think in-out would be harder in general, it just seems less natural that way w/ the hips like Jeremy said.
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Post by sniikeri » 03 Jun 2006 01:23

AA wrote:Learn it both ways. And both legs.
Exactly. You need to make it easy both sides and both directions.
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Post by janis » 04 Jun 2006 02:22

thanks for the tips everyone, I hit out-to-in today :D
whats the deal with in-to-out though? I never seemed to get the dexes quick enough

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Post by Dat » 04 Jun 2006 21:08

Bander87 wrote:Keep toes pointed down.
Ales doesn't point his toes down for any around the world move
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Post by Uranos » 05 Jun 2006 00:29

Yeah i disagree to toes pointing down. It increases the moment of inertia.

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Post by Jeremy » 05 Jun 2006 04:51

Yeah toes up for sure. Actually I try to keep my toes up for all toe moves - ie for pixie and fairy sets too. I find if I point my toes while doing pixie or fairy sets there is a much higher chance of doing thin or the dexes and I expend more energy - toes up is definitely more efficient for those sets and makes certain that the dexes are clean.

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Post by janis » 27 Sep 2006 01:38

Ok, so what is a good way to make datw in more efficent/consistent? I'm hitting out-in nowadays, but in-out still feels weird, any tips are appreciated :D

edit: changed my datw-in technique, the dexes were too big beforehand, small tight dexes make datw soooooo much easier

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Post by Carlos » 06 Oct 2006 05:25

I'm having a little problem doing the double around the world stalls. Is there any type of excerise or move that would help me build up to doing one? Or do I just have to keep drilling? Also, about how long does it usually take to learn the move?
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Post by janis » 06 Oct 2006 06:25

The secret to this trick is making your dexes as small as you can without hitting the bag. Also it helps to always keep your toes pointed up and to do a small hop off the supporting leg as set the bag (so you can get a bit more height without moving your dexing foot up as much). Before doing doubleATW try to hit 10ATW's in a row, this helps with coordination and balance. Then try the movement without a bag, make sure that you set first then start dexing quickly afterwards. It helps doing both dexes at the same speed, you might want to think of two quick "beats" in your head that correspond to a dex each, I found this to help getting the move quicker. Also don't set too high, thigh height should be the maximum.

it seemed impossible at first, but took me about 5 months to hit DATW after the first time I thought of doing it. With the right technique you could probably have DATW hit in a few weeks. Have a look at:
http://modified.in/footbag/viewtopic.ph ... 02&start=0

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Post by Jman9089 » 06 Oct 2006 13:46

It took me a while to hit DATW also.

To learn it I did a drill where I took a 2 liter soda bottle, and filled it with water, and taped the cap back on. Then every time when I was warming up I would put the bottle on the ground and circle it 50 times both ways, with both legs. Try circling it as many times as quickly as you can with out hitting it or putting your foot on the floor.

After like 2 weeks (maybe more or less, I forget...) I had a significant difference in both dexing speed and accuracy. DATW is more about good clean dexes then just whipping your leg around as fast as you can.
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Post by Kyle Hewitt » 07 Oct 2006 22:29

One other drill Josh Rose said he liked was setting for an ATW then slaming your foot on the ground and then doing to ATW

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Post by Carlos » 16 Oct 2006 08:04

Kyle,
I'm not really getting a visual as to what you are saying? slaming the dexing foot on the ground before doing the atw? is that what you mean?
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Post by BenRea » 16 Oct 2006 12:28

ATW>hit the ground with foot>ATW


essentially its just an ATW>ss pickup/ss legover
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Post by Jman9089 » 16 Oct 2006 16:33

I think he means set>touch the ground with your foot>dex, like a same side leg over almost.

only one dex. that way you develop a downtime dex for the datw.
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Post by BenRea » 16 Oct 2006 16:50

yeah, exactly...but i dont think those help with DATW...whatever.
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Post by brinard » 16 Oct 2006 21:13

i dont really think of datw as one motion.

its more like a pixie atw, or fairy, since going the opposite way feels completely different. but they need to look smooth. no hesitations between dexes.

it helped me to atw>op direction atw>rpt til drop.

also, i set, then point my toes down. not up.

make sure youre moving your knee, not your leg for the dexes.

dont hurt yourself trying to nail it.this trick comes with time.

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