X-Dex

bob · Post by **bob** » 05 Aug 2002 17:41

DAMN dan!!...are you sure you aren't thinking of jobs notation? that's what shows what a move is. an add count is simply that. an add count. if i said i did an 8 add move you wouldn't think "hmm....maybe he pulled an easy 8 add move." this is because the add system DOES determines difficulty. the add system shows you NOTHING on how to do a move. just perhaps not perfectly....which would be the EXACT same thing we've been saying this entire post and that HAS been saying for many years now. now go read your jobs.

PIECE

i'm still a stong supporter of keeping the add system. i hate the fact that footbag it turning ever so slowly into a game where opinions can claim a victor. this is why i think we should stay far far away from scorecards unless they are the tally kind that we have been using for many moons.

Crazylegs · Post by **Crazylegs** » 05 Aug 2002 21:02

debating the add ststem is like debating presidential candidates, i may wanna grab a snickers. but it does get ideas out, i wish this board was a bit bigger, more people would be nice. spread the word!

dan · Post by **dan** » 06 Aug 2002 00:23

oh shit! ok my fault! please forgett what i posted!me idiot mixed up jobs and adds.

what i wanted to say is that adds are just a count for certain single categories (like uns del bod ...). ok that gives you a slight impression of how hard a trick is to perform (simlpy: the more adds the harder the trick). please forgive me. but nevertheless both the addsystem and jobs have their existing problems and are not perfect. though i defend both systems, cause at the moment they seem to be the only working systems that really are objective.

i should shut up now. sorry again folks...

madshred2003 · Post by **madshred2003** » 06 Aug 2002 13:09

lol!! oops! (feels like an ass) whatever, my point is still valid. yes, bob is right. we should keep the add system. though it could be improved upon...

:mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:

is this little guy not the coolest thing you've ever seen?!?

bob · Post by **bob** » 06 Aug 2002 13:23

no blood no foul G! hahaha no prob dan. no harm done. and there is no need to shut up. it's talk that keeps the board alive and thriving. lata!

PIECE,
bob

dizzy · Post by **dizzy** » 13 Aug 2002 22:16

Adds DO NOT equal difficulty.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » 14 Aug 2002 09:43

Wait wait, so if add's don't equal difficulty, are you saying that...ripwalk isn't as hard as double inspinning mirage? because they are both 4 adds! Which should mean they are same difficulty..am i right people? NO!

Adds are just a point system of what happens between contacts of the bag.

Matt · Post by **Matt** » 14 Aug 2002 11:38

I think you are right. I had those double inspinning mirages under my belt a looong time ago but i cant even hit clipper!

Crazylegs · Post by **Crazylegs** » 14 Aug 2002 13:03

i think we all agree here.

Brian · Post by **Brian** » 14 Aug 2002 18:13

http://modified.ca/footbag

Enforcer · Post by **Enforcer** » 03 Dec 2002 19:42

I realize this thread hasn't had any posts in a long time but I felt the need to make a comment or two.

First, the Add system was originally intended, at least in part, to be a way of objectively estimating the difficulty of individual freestyle tricks. Even from the outset I knew that there would be exceptions but that in the aggregate it does a decent job of estimating difficulty. In other words, the average difficulty of all 3 Add tricks is probably about a point lower than the average of all 4 Add tricks and so on. It was obvious even at the beginning that the system does a poor job of specifically identifying the exact difficulty of any individual trick. But this sport is not diving where the athlete performs only one trick and you can have very specific difficulty scores assigned to every trick and have it be practical to judge in competition. The current Add system makes it possible for an expert judge to count Adds in real time and provide the information as an input to the judges to help them in their decision making process. It has always been a relatively small component of the judging system and this last year at Worlds was only used as supportive information for the judges.

I am in favor of X-Adds (both X-Dex and X-Spin) because they provide a systematic solution to an obvious problem in the current Add system.

Kenny Shults

P.S. If we go to subjectively assigning difficulty, then I believe that Smear from the left Toe is a 9 Add move. This trick is dramtically more difficult for me than Big Apple Sauce.

ToeGuiltless · Post by **ToeGuiltless** » 03 Dec 2002 19:49

and on that note, osis should also be worth 9 adds.

Juan · Post by **Juan** » 03 Dec 2002 20:17

hahahaha!
if we combined kenny's clips/osis with chris' toes we'd have the best shredder ever!

ted · Post by **ted** » 03 Dec 2002 21:00

i completely agree chris-
osis is a 9 add move now

Rob · Post by **Rob** » 03 Dec 2002 21:11

Juan wrote:hahahaha!
if we combined kenny's clips/osis with chris' toes we'd have the best shredder ever!

It would have to have Juan's style because that's the best style on earth! No, the universe!

ToeGuiltless · Post by **ToeGuiltless** » 03 Dec 2002 22:13

and dont forget rob's sideburns! the best shredder has to have those.

Matt · Post by **Matt** » 04 Dec 2002 14:30

ive got sideburns

Dr. Jones · Post by **Dr. Jones** » 16 Dec 2002 04:50

what is x-spin???

max · Post by **max** » 16 Dec 2002 09:10

what is x-spin???

Is this another name for spinning paradox moves?

Rob · Post by **Rob** » 16 Dec 2002 09:43

X Adds : X Dex : Certain sets into certain move endings (Atom Smasher..)
X Spin : Inspinning

An X Spin Add is an extra add for inspinning.

X-Dex

Do you think we should use x-dex in jobs and stuff?

jobs notation anyone?

no blood no foul G!