in how many years will a 6 dex move will be hit??

[Jeremy]

Just ... won't ... die.

Ok, I'm probably not one of the "vets" anyone's refering to, but I can tell you why I think this is the stupidest thred I've ever bothered to read (I'm sure there are worce and I'm glad I've never read them). Someone wrote:

> I think 7 dex's[sic] mabey 8 would be in the realm of reality. For exampe mabey smp.
> barraging nuclear mo-fly swirl could be hit.

Ok why do you think that? Have you actually ever seen symposium barraging nuclear? How about mo-fly swirl? Can you explain to me how you'd do the move, where the momentum comes from, the timing? Is there in fact any reasoning behind that quote at all? Pages upon pages are filled with this crap. I could say "I think Vasek plays footbag so well because invisible faeries gently guide his feet" and everyone reading will have gained about as much useful information as from the above quote.

Sorry for the almost double post, I was interrupted by work or I would have said this in my last post.

I've hit symp barraging nuclear (badly) and I know of at least 4 other people who have also hit the set, at least one a lot better than me (because it's on video), and probably all 4.

I'm not that good at barraging, symp barraging and the nuclear is on my flip side. When you look at the massive improvement in barraging sets that occurred in mid to late 2003 when Vasek essentially revolutionised the technique for the move and you look at the ease of which some people hit barraging sets today, I find it very easy to imagine people within the next year or two getting good and genuine symp barraging nuclear sets out (rather than the last dex being peak time or close to it). Indeed I'd say that the only reason why we haven't seen a lot of them already is because not many people are trying the set.

As soon people start getting out good symp barraging nuke sets then they'll be hitting 5 dex moves - ss da da curve and dlo at the very least. Getting another dex after that is obviously a little more difficult, but there are already a number of downtime 3 dexes that could be added - especially mofly, supercurve and perhaps double down swirl (although also worth keeping in mind, although I've never hit them, are those eggbeater bail op legover moves - massacre etc.)

In my initial post in this topic I said that I thought a 6 dex would never be hit, but that given how often I underestimate the progress of footbag, I'd probably be wrong.

4 years later I'm now much more confident that 6 dexes will get hit, although probably not within the next 5 years. Not only that, but it will be hit by a tall skinny guy

[Yellow Watchbagger]

Are the posts by Yellow Watchbagger really a contribution? No, they're just ignorant, vaguely racist bullshit.

And I'm not gonna keep an open mind to the kind of shit Yellow Watchbagger posted.

this is just a forum so calm down. i even said i wasn't trying to sound racist but im sorry if you were offended by my post. i was merely asking if someone would have a better chance of hitting a 6 add move if they could jump higher than the average person. again, sorry for the racist comment.

[Jeremy]

Do you think a person who can run faster than the average person would have a better chance of winning a running race?

[Yellow Watchbagger]

yes but running only has to do with speed while footbag uses coordination, jumping, flexibility, speed etc.

w.e tho.

[Anz]

This thread just makes me want to puke on my computer screen.

Here are facts that some people should consider before even considering posting:
-If you just footed Blurriest for the first time, you can't assume somebody better than you can do Alpine Nemesis Swirl.
-If a 5dex has been hit, it doesn't mean 6dex could be hit.
-Those players who could hit new tricks with a lot of dexes don't want to spend entire session hunting for new ridiculous move.
-You can not just combine an uptime component to a downtime component. There's always the footwork, components turning midtime, and muscle strenght.

Now here are my statements regarding the whole thing:
-a 6dex is possible, with Symp Barraging Nuclear set
-a 6dex will never be hit (properly clean and good execution)

Don't bother saying "we'll prove you wrong!" because you won't.

I wouldn't even recommend anyone trying to hit a 6dex because it would be something you could never be consistent with and therefore hitting it once would be pretty much a fluke and in vain.
Why in vain? - Because what the hell does it prove? "That a 6dex was possible after all." Well don't assume you're getting a medal for hitting it. Footbag world wouldn't be affected at all if someone hit a 6dex.

[sidekick]

This thread just makes me want to puke on my computer screen.

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I wouldn't even recommend anyone trying to hit a 6dex because it would be something you could never be consistent with and therefore hitting it once would be pretty much a fluke and in vain.
Why in vain? - Because what the hell does it prove? "That a 6dex was possible after all." Well don't assume you're getting a medal for hitting it. Footbag world wouldn't be affected at all if someone hit a 6dex.

This pretty much sums up my views on a 6 dex move. Yeah, it would be super hard, but what would it be proving? That you're just that much closer to getting robtic parts after you blew out both of your knees trying to, and eventually succeeding in, doing 6 dexs. I think 4 is good enough for me right now, maybe 5 in the future.

[Jeremy]

It proves what the human body is capable of.

What does anything in footbag "prove?" I think that's the wrong question to be asking. I don't play footbag to prove things - I play to challenge myself, and to see what I'm capable of (amongst other reasons).

[max]

This thread just makes me want to puke on my computer screen.

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I wouldn't even recommend anyone trying to hit a 6dex because it would be something you could never be consistent with and therefore hitting it once would be pretty much a fluke and in vain.
Why in vain? - Because what the hell does it prove? "That a 6dex was possible after all." Well don't assume you're getting a medal for hitting it. Footbag world wouldn't be affected at all if someone hit a 6dex.

This pretty much sums up my views on a 6 dex move. Yeah, it would be super hard, but what would it be proving? That you're just that much closer to getting robtic parts after you blew out both of your knees trying to, and eventually succeeding in, doing 6 dexs. I think 4 is good enough for me right now, maybe 5 in the future.

Good point. Following your logic we should all just play dexless? Honestly what does 5 dexes prove? What about 4 or 3?

[hacksterbator]

It proves what the human body is capable of.

What does anything in footbag "prove?" I think that's the wrong question to be asking. I don't play footbag to prove things - I play to challenge myself, and to see what I'm capable of (amongst other reasons).

Bingo.

Anz you have a very defeatist attitude. I'd love for some one to prove you wrong

[max]

Anz you have a very defeatist attitude. I'd love for some one to prove you wrong

I'd even go so far as to give them a medal

[mc]

I'll throw in a footbag, as well.

So, so far we have a medal and a custom bag as the prize. Who wants it?

[calemccoy]

hey jeremy, or whoever said they had seen a decent symp barraging nuclear set; who was it? im honestly not doubting the statement at all, i am just curious as to who did it.

[sidekick]

You're right, nothing in footbag "proves" anything to anyone, save for yourself. Doing 4 or 5 dex tricks only shows mastery over the basics of footbag to such an extent that you can link all of the concepts together in a fast way.

"Hard" tricks are just an byproduct of the mastery of basics. I would say that 4 dex tricks, for me anyhow, are very difficult and not that solid, and to hit a 5 dex would only be an ego inflation, which is why I've gone back to the basics (for now).

P.S. By basics I mean clipper, toe stall, legover, mirage, pickup, illusion, ducking, and spinning.

[Jeremy]

hey jeremy, or whoever said they had seen a decent symp barraging nuclear set; who was it? im honestly not doubting the statement at all, i am just curious as to who did it.

Felix Zenger was the first person I saw hit the move in a video. There is a bit of debate about whether Vasek has hit it at as well - but he has hit a peak timeish symp furious quantum "set." There are a couple of other people, but they post on modified so I'm sure they can speak up if they want to.



Nick. If I see a video of somebody hitting a 5 dex tomorrow, I would be absolutely stoked and impressed. It may be an "ego boost" for the person hitting it, but I'm sure a lot of people will also get a great deal of enjoyment seeing it anyway.

I also note that there are many footbaggers who don't post on modified or ever make videos, but hit crazy hard moves - for what? Personal ego boost of knowing they can hit something most people don't know has been hit? Or for the sense of personal achievement?

[sonofgenkai18]

Now this is the type of debate I like to see.

As much as I love and resptect you Anz....I'm with these guys.

When a footbagger does amazing things it inspires other footbaggers to do amazing things.

Dave's new NYJ video is a good example of that. (for me anyway)

Mid-string Nemesis doesn't prove a thing...excpept that he can do a mid string nemesis...which I think is amazing. It's enough to get me up and working to be able to do something as amazing I thought that was.

A 6 dex move would do the same for many players I think.

[slapdash21]

I also note that there are many footbaggers who don't post on modified or ever make videos, but hit crazy hard moves - for what? Personal ego boost of knowing they can hit something most people don't know has been hit? Or for the sense of personal achievement?

youve hit some pretty crazy hard moves, both on video and, im sure, not as visually announced. im curious, would you say it was more for the first reason or the second? (if you had to choose either one, or a specific combination of both)

just curious for the sake of conversation.

[C-Fan]

hey jeremy, or whoever said they had seen a decent symp barraging nuclear set; who was it? .

I saw Sunil at Worlds 03 get this set clean. He said he had hit "a bunch of stuff" out of it at the time.

[Jeremy]

I also note that there are many footbaggers who don't post on modified or ever make videos, but hit crazy hard moves - for what? Personal ego boost of knowing they can hit something most people don't know has been hit? Or for the sense of personal achievement?

youve hit some pretty crazy hard moves, both on video and, im sure, not as visually announced. im curious, would you say it was more for the first reason or the second? (if you had to choose either one, or a specific combination of both)

just curious for the sake of conversation.

A vast number of reasons including;

1. I don't post about moves I hit when I'm not sure about how clean they were, or I post with a disclaimer. This covers a pretty large amount of my tricks

2. I don't play footbag for other people. I appreciate some of their support, but if nobody ever commented I would play just as much. Impressing other people is 0 motivation for me.

3. I don't want to promote super hard moves too much, as I think it's a better skill to be able to hit easier moves consistently. This isn't really a rule or anything, I'm obviously happy talking about hard moves, complementing other people on them and occasionally mentioning hard moves that I've hit, hard moves are just not a focus for me - so when I do hit one I don't get very excited about it.