Should planting your foot negate the paradox add?

MJK · Post by **MJK** » 15 Jul 2003 18:19

This is an issue I've wanted to address for quite some time now. I can't make a poll because of the complexity of this topic, (spinning and symposium complicate it quite a bit) but I'd like to hear everybody's opinion.

Should the add be negated even if the plant is necassary, (PS mirage) only when it's unnecassary, (pdx mirage), or not at all? What about spinning? That throws a whole 'nother element into this. What do you think?

HooD · Post by **HooD** » 16 Jul 2003 13:15

*copy & paste*
Nope! Paradox is paradox, I don't care who plants what.

The way you word that is too close to how my mind thinks...

Nope. Paradox is paradox, I don't care who plants what where.

ShredNJ · Post by **ShredNJ** » 17 Jul 2003 12:54

Paradox is silly. i think it should be completely removed from the sport.
but im willing to let it slide.

MJK · Post by **MJK** » 17 Jul 2003 16:16

Elaboration is welcome from any of the 11 people who have voted and not posted so far.

bob · Post by **bob** » 17 Jul 2003 16:40

the reason most people don't reply is because this has been talked about quite a few times on this forum. or at least i figure thats why.

bob glasser

Muffinman · Post by **Muffinman** » 17 Jul 2003 22:53

ive been missing topics. because i log in and dont have time to finish reading everything. so everything i missed is marked as read next time i log in. to me a plant takes away the paradox element of a move. it no longer FEELS paradox. of course i'll still count a pdx mirage as a 3 add. and a pdx whirl as a 4. its just lame. and not paradox is all.
tomahawk isnt paradox if you plant.

edit: and ps whirl isnt paradox :p

FootbagginBum · Post by **FootbagginBum** » 18 Jul 2003 10:53

I just think if PS can still be p then you can't limit it in any case...and no, you can't get rid of pdx, sumo DOES NOT = atomsmasher in any regard.

ted · Post by **ted** » 18 Jul 2003 12:43

I don't like to plant during pdx motions because it feels and looks cooler, but ultimately I don't care whether it is awarded the add.

ShredNJ · Post by **ShredNJ** » 18 Jul 2003 13:30

Bum: Your right, I can't kill paradox. But do not confuse difficulty and adds with each other. a paradox da da DOES NOT = superfly

RRendsvig · Post by **RRendsvig** » 18 Jul 2003 13:34

Planting should negate the pdx add, and for PS moves, maybe another add should be added since PS whirl (as an example) is a lot harder then S whirl. A FAR add given to moves that are harder, but not due to the double hip movement. But that would probably just confuse everybody even more!

full nelson · Post by **full nelson** » 18 Jul 2003 13:43

I plant on my pdx mirage all the time. I don't have to. It's not a hard trick. It's just the way I do it. I don't plant on pdx whirls or drifters.

If a trick was determined paradox before I learned it, then it will always be paradox to me, plant or not. I don't want to change the system. Seems like it works fine to me.

Chris Holden · Post by **Chris Holden** » 18 Jul 2003 14:19

a little off topic, so try not to argue into this point...

It's interesting to bring up the PS, as in Paradox and Symposium do not mix because of the plant. This reminds me of Spyro (Symposium Gyro). Since you can NOT plant the setting/dexing foot for Gyro, it can't technically ever be Symposium, and this is where Spyro came from (Scott Davidson original named this concept if I'm not mistaken, which I am... a lot!).

Still, I don't believe there should be any changes to the system, PS sounds great to me.

HighDemonslayer · Post by **HighDemonslayer** » 19 Jul 2003 19:04

You technically probably do more "work" when you do a P. Mirage with a plant.

Let's compare a Blur to a "Pogo-like" Paradox Mirage.

Both are worth 4 adds, because the "Pogo" usually isn't clean. But not planting in the middle demands a little bit more of the "hip-action" that a paradox is supposed to require.

Why not take the paradox away from the Blur? to punish those who can't do it without planting.

If a P. Mirage with a plant isn't paradox, then a regular Blur should not be Paradox either.

That's just my thoughts on planting Paradoxes.

-n