Footbag shoe design Poll

[AsuDesigner]

I am under the impression that many people like to mod there lavers in order to make the lace flaps stand up to create walls. My question for all of you is would you want to be able to put the walls up and take them down, or would you rather have permanent walls, or would you rather have no walls and just a big huge toe area. Keep in mind this shoe is only for "freestyle footbag competitions". They are not meant to be worn as a regular shoe.

[qphox]

This is tough for me to respond to...

In my opinion, having the walls on the shoe may end up being a reliance for players, rather than control and coordination. I don't think the walls are needed at all. On my modded Pumas, I've got walls, but they barely stand up and they're more resemblant of "ridges" rather than walls. They help to keep the bag in place sometimes, but it's not like I've got a baseball mitt attached to my shoe.

So, I suppose you could have some degree of lacing walls present, but I'm not of the opinion that it's necessary.

[flash]

I've always envisioned the perfect footbag shoe to have "walls" present but not associated with the lacing system. I'd like "walls" anywhere from about 1/4 to 1/2 the size of lavers' "walls." The up or down thing sounds much too troublesome and probably expensive to me.

I think qphox has it about right. If the toe is flat, there shouldn't be any problems.

[MegaFighter_X]

I think slight walls would be good. If there is no wall, it woudl take a lot to get the bag there. Walls offer a little comfort. I think about half the laver's wall would be good.

[HooD]

I've had lavers both with large walls, cut down walls, and no walls at all. I find that larger walls are both ugly and makes you become more reliant on them. Having no walls helps with sets, but a very small wall would be ideal to me. Having something like flash said, flaps that would be there by themselves. Not having to mod there, but if someone wanted to, they could.

So , make it short walls or a really fricken good toe surface with no walls at all.

[Liam]

I got rid of the wings on my lavers cause I didn't wanna become too reliant on them. And it felt really cheap. Everyone I play with has lost the wings too, and none of us have any problems without them. As long as your toe area is nice and plushy enough and sinks in a bit (like a de-canvased laver toe area in this case) then I don't think wings/walls should be at all necessary.

[Johnny]

The only reason that I dont cut off the walls of the lavers is because the wall on the inside of the shoe also serves to make a larger inside stalling surface.

I think that makes sense.

[Laroche]

You know, maybe im the only one, but i find the walls to be beneficial as a TRAINING tool. For example, some I know used shoes with no walls on to learn to set the bag on pixie sets crookedly. When he got lavers, he couldnt do pixie set any more. Later on, he learned to set straight instead of rolling off the side of his shoe, and everything was fine.

Therefore, walls should stay, maybe reduced in size, as they are almost a hindrance and help you learn to set straight.

[OneWeak]

personally I think the ideal wouldn't be "walls" at all. more like a ridge of some sort. Small enough that the bag could roll off if you turned your foot or whatever, but just so that it would catch the bag regardless of a little spin on the bag or a very slight tilting of the foot. But like everyone basically agreed, as long as the toe is flat and "plushy" it doesn't make a HUGE difference...I just think a small U shaped ridge (the front would be the open part of the U) would be perfect for me.

[RipWalker]

i'm gonna have to go ahead and agree with the much smaller walls idea. personally, i prefer no walls at all. my current lavers i just laced up a hole and can toe stall fine, even though i'm an extreme newb at the sport. if you do have current laver walls, i'm sure it makes it much easier to catch the bag on the toe and then maneuver around without roll-off. for those of you who had larger walls, it may be a bit harder to perform some moves once they're shortened, due to your dependence on them, even if that dependence is unbeknownst to you. i've never tried walls, so i can't knock them, but i'm just speaking from a logical standpoint and i can see how smaller walls may increase the ability to perform a toe stall without making it rediculously easy. peace.

[ebo]

I agree with the smaller wall/ridge idea. The Laver's walls are too big,
but I wouldn't wanna miss out on it completely.

[Panda Licker]

I dont know if this would work or not, but what if instead of a flat toe, it slightly cupped down? there wouldnt be any actual walls, but it would still help with roll off.


And when I say "cupped" I'm talking shallower than a suction cup

[Posi-Cole]

I don't know why people like the Lavers walls so much.... I mean, yes, it helps you catch the bag more easily on your toe, but once you've caught the bag on your toe and it gets caught up in your wall, the set you produce from it is going to be garbage anyway, so you may as well have dropped the bag.

I vote for no walls... As long as there is a big enough area, and your footbag is decent enough, you really don't need any other help to catch the footbag on your toe.

[Liam]

Angelo, the "cupped" shape already exists without laver wings, provided you have removed the toe canvas.

[Sergey]

I agree with Johnny. I don't cut my walls off either cuz it really hepls with my inside delays and, btw, most pros don't do that fo the same reason I think.

[ShredNJ]

I think the easiest toe stall is done with bare feet.

[FlexThis]