NOVEMBER ONLINE COMPETITIONS - Voting closed.

BalinorNZ · Post by **BalinorNZ** » 09 Dec 2005 08:49

TheVindicator wrote:BOP?

Butterfly Osis Paradox mirage B O P

About Jesse's furious legover, I coulden't be bothered writing furious legover lol, sry my bad, he did tell me it was furious legover, i'm just lazy

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C-Fan · Post by **C-Fan** » 09 Dec 2005 09:00

What a headache.

OK, before everybody starts putting words in my mouth and making incorrect assumptions, go back and read what I read. Seriously, take a minute and go read it, just as a favor to me. OK, let's go.

Nowhere did I say I didn't like Jorden's string. Completely the opposite. I also like long fearless strings with blurry whirls and ps whirls. In fact, I've been working on them a lot lately myself. But just because I like long fearless strings with pdx-whirling components, doesn't mean I think they are "genuine fearless." I think that's a term I should address.

ana_ali wrote:Is genuine-fearless, according to Ken, a fearless run with no Pdx Whirls?
That's a very decieving term.

No, genuine-fearless to me is a fearless run with genuine links and tricks. Tomahawk to fog would qualify as genuine fearless to me. Pdx blender to whirlwalk is extremely genuine. But easy 5s that flow together naturally, like ps whirl to spinning whirl, aren't genuine fearless in my book. Same goes for tripless and guiltless. But let's go back to where all the confusion began:

Erik Chan wrote:By "genuine-fearless" I meant none of the three "BOP"s(?) (clearly, since it's tripless),...?

Genuine generally means no BOPs. But a tripless or fearless string by definition automatically contains no BOPs. So when you said "genuine fearless," I assumed you meant the links were genuine (ie, hard or cool). If you meant "BOP-free fearless," that's a pretty meaningless statement isn't it?

I wasn't saying that Jorden's run wasn't genuine fearless because it had pdx whirling components. The point of my pdx whirling component comment was to point out that a majority of the 5s in the string were easy fives. Genuine pdx whirling fearless exists. Pdx blender to blurry whirl is a genuine link in my opinion. But looking at Jorden's string, how many of those 5s would you give props to by itself? Scorpion's tail. How many of those links are hard links? The whole combo flows very well together, but there's no tricky links.

Before this goes anymore off topic, take a moment and go look at Erik's original post. "Genuine fearless." I think it's natural that I assumed he meant genuine links, not "BOP-free," and if I thought he meant "genuine fearless links" in relation to Jorden's string, I wanted to disagree. PWF fives isn't the issue here. Look at the string and tell me how many of those 5s you think are hard. How many of the links do you think are hard? Its a rad string, and I'd love to be able to string that many 5s together (hard or otherwise), but I've seen Jorden's genuine fearless, and this Sick 15 string didn't qualify.

shredzilla · Post by **shredzilla** » 09 Dec 2005 09:39

haha, I'm not even guiltless, so it's really pointless for me to comment. BUT, it's always struck me as odd when people have the whole ps whirl arguement.

fearless- adj. a combo of 5 add moves and higher.

genuine fearless- adj. when you're hitting mostly 6s, and 7s, but nothing less than a 5.

As far as I know, that's the definition. Are ps whirls really that easy of a move? I'm so jealous. That must be a great feeling when a ps whirl is considered too easy to be fearless!

BalinorNZ · Post by **BalinorNZ** » 09 Dec 2005 09:52

I woulden't call your post offtopic Ken, part of the purpose of these competitons is to arouse these kinds of discussions

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Forget the whole 'genuine fearless' thing, it's a stupid term IMO anyway, I think the real matter at hand is Jorden's sick15.

Ken brought up the point that none of the 5s in Jorden's string would be hard on their own. I think this is a pretty silly statement as nobody can do a sick15 of just moves the find hard, because you would never get past 5 contacts. Most of the contacts of Jordens sick15 were climax moves for most people, and I would say they are all pretty difficult moves, the fact that he hit 15 of them in a row in insane!

The other aim of sick15, is to have stylish links, I honestly thought the first 3 links of Jorden's sick15 were extreamly cool, after that it was mainly pdx whirl > pdx whirl etc which isn't so exiting, but is still very difficult.

The first 3 links ps ducking mirage > pixie ss dyno > torque screw > pdx blender, were in my opinion enough to put Jorden on top of all the other combos, that mixed with the pure difficulty of the string really just made him unstoppable.

Basicly what i'm trying to say, is Jorden did have a lot of pdx whirling stuff (which in my opinion is a little boring/unorigional/easier that most other 5adds), but he mixed it with enough style for it to be an exiting string

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BalinorNZ · Post by **BalinorNZ** » 09 Dec 2005 09:59

shredzilla wrote:Are ps whirls really that easy of a move? I'm so jealous. That must be a great feeling when a ps whirl is considered too easy to be fearless!

Basicly, pdx whirl moves (spinning whirl, blurry whirl, tomahawk, ps whirl, pdx blender) are all atleast a little easier than any other 5add. They are still really hard moves, but compared to 5adds like bedwetter, blurriest, scorpions tail, mobius, symp whirling swirl, pdx torque(maybe), ripped warrior.

C-Fan · Post by **C-Fan** » 09 Dec 2005 11:06

I dont know where Chris got those definitions...

For the record, I'm not saying that pdx whirling fives aren't legit because they're easier than other fives. I'm saying that pdx whirl isn't paradox, so those tricks do not contain five add components. Adds aren't about difficulty. Phoenix and pdx torque are easy 5s. But they have 5 add components. Spinning whirl is harder than phoenix in my opinion. It just has one less add component.

This is my last post on this topic. Just to sum up my thoughts.

1. Props to Jorden on his string.
2. "Genuine fearless" in the sense Erik used it is as redundant and pointless as "tiltless beastly."
3. I think links like blurry whirl x2, motion to pdx blender, ps whirl to spinning whirl etc are all cool, but I also think they are easy, natural links.
4. In general, pdx whirling 5s, 6s, and 7s tend to be easier than other 5s, 6s, and 7s. I believe this is because whirl, like swirl, cannot be paradox.
5. How "genuine/cool/sick" a combo is is not determined solely by the moves involved. The order of the moves matters greatly. Blurry whirl to ps whirl? In my opinion, not "genuine fearless." PS whirl to blurry whirl? I'd say that's genuine fearless.

acxel22 · Post by **acxel22** » 09 Dec 2005 11:22

so pdx mirage has no pdx if I follow you?

jon · Post by **jon** » 09 Dec 2005 11:58

Not worth posting

Post removed.

BalinorNZ · Post by **BalinorNZ** » 09 Dec 2005 12:14

Ok I wasn't aware that you don't think pdx whirls should get pdx Ken, and I don't think we should stear this discussion down that road because it is a long and complicated one. Let's just leave it at, in general pdx whirling 5/6/7 adds are easier than non-pdx whirling 5/6/7 adds.

It really is a pity that noone of Jorden's level participated in Sick15 this month

I know Honza was going to but suffered a knee injury playing paintball, Jim P has expressed intrest in participating in the past and Ales has recovered from being sick and will also enter in the coming months, just a pity nobody ended up contending with Jorden this month. Would make it a whole lot more interesting if there was a fight for 1st place

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shredzilla · Post by **shredzilla** » 09 Dec 2005 13:13

C-Fan wrote:I dont know where Chris got those definitions...

Me neither, I just made em up like you

Haha in all seriousness though, this months comp ROCKED!!@@!!!@!@! It was tremendously exciting and still is, I love re-watching this stuff over and over. This topic has downplayed Nic's efforts a little (the guy still hasn't slept), and it may be time to take the topic to another thread. Maybe...

Muffinman · Post by **Muffinman** » 09 Dec 2005 13:55

It's not redundant if you hadn't cut out the other half of my definition, Ken :p I guess I shouldn't have hyphenated it, but I was trying to squeeze a bunch of words together and didn't know how else to make it less confusing. You cut out the part about genuine referring to unique tricks, as opposed to repeating. I wouldn't have said genuine if he had hit blurry whirl twice on one side, you know? Also, due to the fact that I said that it was "nearly" genuinely fearless means that that one contact that wasn't could potentially have been a BOP -- I don't see the redundancy in that

PS: I was pretty impressed by the tomahawk > blurry whirl (was it?) link; I don't think that's an easy fearless link.

BalinorNZ · Post by **BalinorNZ** » 10 Dec 2005 14:57

Thanks for all your votes so far guys!

Unfortunatly, there have been more problems with the voting pages than I percieved and a bunch of peoples votes haven't come through properly.

I've decided the best option is to take the voting pages down this month and just go on what we have in this thread, so:

If you want to vote, please do so in this thread!

Here is a list of all those who's votes didn't come through properly, if your name is here, please redo your vote in this thread, sorry for inconveniance:
slapdash21, misanuk, shredzilla(I think i've already got your votes?), t_Arquino.

I will put up a ranking from the votes in this thread soon as I get time

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sampotter · Post by **sampotter** » 12 Dec 2005 20:58

I don't know if this was addressed because I didn't feel like reading the rest of the topic, however --

Chris -- 5's+ = strong fearless, not genuine fearless

BalinorNZ · Post by **BalinorNZ** » 14 Dec 2005 01:52

Results released.

The voting system is definatly changing next month, it should'nt take 4 hours to count the votes, especially when there are so disapointingly few of them.

Congratulations to all the players for representing

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krawallier · Post by **krawallier** » 14 Dec 2005 04:56

wow - i think it is amazing that people rated phils combo equally as jordens... of course montage is not the most creative trick ... still

i was unsure whether to put jorden or honza up top... every single trick jorden did was harder and less common than phils and all the links were of equal or more difficulty ... the execution wasn't horrible either, so, yeah i am stunned.

i guess people have different expectations for jorden n honza than with others....

C-Fan · Post by **C-Fan** » 14 Dec 2005 08:59

Is it too late to vote if you haven't yet?

BalinorNZ · Post by **BalinorNZ** » 14 Dec 2005 15:29

krawallier wrote:I guess people have different expectations for jorden n honza than with others....

It's more likley the fact that there were only 6 votes and most of them were probably made by people who don't know better.

Ken, sorry I don't have the time to recount the votes again, people wanted rankings now so I did it now. Please give feedback on the entrys though, i'm sure all the players would apreciate your experianced point of view.

BalinorNZ · Post by **BalinorNZ** » 14 Dec 2005 21:09

Congratulations Phil Morisson, you won the prize bag this month!

Here is a picture of the bag made by Toby Suggate:

HG · Post by HG » 15 Dec 2005 03:40

Nic lets just not do the comps for a while because no one votes. not even everyone in the comps vote. Maybe if we dont do them and bring them back it will bring back the excitement? I remember when we had like 7 pages and they were VOTES! not 4 pages with 6 votes on them.