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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:18 am Post subject: Cross body rake question Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Just discovered i can do this trick
I can do alot of different ways
but in the sake of guiltlessnes is there an add difference in the different way
1. right toe towards the left side, half spin towards the left rake with right foot
2. or left toe set straight up turn towards the right and rake with right foot.
is there a difference to these approaches or is it all the same or is this a situation to use the terms backside and front side?????
I hope that makes any sense
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:21 pm Post subject: Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
If its on the right side of your body and you rake it with your right foot like your second example its a 2 add rake. The first one you said is a x body rake and gets 3 adds.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 7:25 pm Post subject: Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
after reading this post i decided to try a mirage xbd rake and i landed it!! Very Happy how many adds is that?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 1:56 pm Post subject: Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Three.
One for the dex
One for the x-bod
One for the stall/delay
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 3:25 pm Post subject: Re: Cross body rake question Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
tuomoruutufan wrote:
Just discovered i can do this trick
1. right toe towards the left side, half spin towards the left rake with right foot
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The first one you said is a x body rake and gets 3 adds.
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Three.
One for the dex
One for the x-bod
One for the stall/delay
how can they both be 3 if im doing a mirage xbd rake...im confused Confused
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 11:52 pm Post subject: Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
there is no such thing as a mirage xbd rake. xbd rakes are the the same as clippers only the bag lands on your toe instead of your inside and then you drag it back into the normal toe position. So any move that ends in a clipper can be done as a xbd rake move too - whirling rakes, drifter rakes, double down rakes etc.
Moves that end in a toe cannot be done ending with a xbd rake. - you can still do non xbd rake toe moves but a miraging non xbd rake would be very hard to hit cleanly in my opinion and would probably be (ie the bag goes too far behind you). Most likely you're not hitting a miraging rake at all but something else - maybe just a normal toe set xbd rake - which is like a slurry mirage.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 12:26 am Post subject: Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Jeremy wrote:
there is no such thing as a mirage xbd rake.
oh, really? whats a drifter rake then?
i would think its miraging xbd rake.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 7:47 am Post subject: Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
what a stupid thing to debate. If you want call it a mirage xbdy rake. You obviously know more about footbag than I do.
edit: Sorry, I'm a little stressed and didn't mean to say it like that.
technically you could indeed call a drifter xbdy rake a mirage xbdy rake. However it's very rare to call a drifter a downtime muted miraging same foot clipper or any varient of that. A drifter is a drifter. A drifter rake is a rake out of drifter. This implies that the rake is xbdy already so there's no need to say so. "miraging xbdy" rake is a very ambiguous term - it could be a drifter rake or a whirl rake with a vertical dex. It's also an unused term because mirages end in the toe position (ie infront of you - not neccessarly actually on a toe) while drifters end in a xbdy position. Thus a move that goes op in>same xbdy position is always in my experience until possibly this topic referred to as a drifter move. I've been playing footbag for 4 years and I've been very active on this forum. I'm fairly sure I know what I'm talking about.
In any respect this is a completely pointless debate - my point was that I didn't think that Troyson is hitting a miraging xbdy rake at all - and I've spoken to him a about this on chat twice so I feel like I've got more information on this topic than what's simply been said here too.
As I said in the general footbag topic, I'm really bored of these debates and I'm not going to debate further. I'm happy to help try and figure out what Troyson is actually hitting but if you want to argue about mirage xbdy rake I really wont' comment. In fact I already regret commenting on this at all.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:52 am Post subject: Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
this is what i am hitting...i do a normal mirage set from my right toe, but instead of just landing it in a toe stall, i turn to the right and rake it like i would for a xbd rake. What would this be called?
another trick i am confused about is this...left toe>op in out>same turn to the right and rake like the i said in the first one. its like a toe set pickup but i turn to the right and rake or xbd rake it. I was told this is called a swerve but im not sure if im doing it correctly. i hope this clears things up.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 1:35 pm Post subject: Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
i wasnt trying to start a debate. if i was a newbie and i was trying to describe a drifter rake, i would say miraging xbd rake. im not trashing your footbag knowledge, and im not doubting you know what you're talking about, so dont patronize me with "you must know more about footbag than me" obviously you have more experience.
"this is what i am hitting...i do a normal mirage set from my right toe, but instead of just landing it in a toe stall, i turn to the right and rake it like i would for a xbd rake. What would this be called? "
this definately sounds like a drifter rake to me, but the question is which foot you're raking with. is it the left or the right?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 1:50 pm Post subject: Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
right foot in both
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 7:13 pm Post subject: Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
then its a mirage that you're catching too far back.
and the other one is a pickup with a turn. they arent their own tricks, they're just styley (or uncontrolled) versions of mirage and pickup.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 8:05 pm Post subject: Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
so for it to be xbd i would have to turn to the left instead of the right and rake wid my right foot?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 8:38 pm Post subject: Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
Jeremy wrote:
just a normal toe set xbd rake - which is like a slurry mirage.
Troy - this is what you're currently hitting.
If you turn to the left do a complete mirage dex (so the bag goes all the way infront of then behind your left foot, then goes all the way infront of your right foot then lands on your left foot toe in a xbd position and gets dragged through to the normal position. This is a drifter rake. I am sure that the majority of people on this forum find this move very difficult.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 9:04 pm Post subject: Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
allright now i get it...i still think i can do it that way..just not very clean yet...thanks for all the help
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