Inspinning Paradox Torque

C-Fan · Post by **C-Fan** » 30 Nov 2004 17:09

I think I mentioned my secret flyer on one of the secret BAP forums. With any luck though, you will see it on video sometime in the future.

enhancement wrote: I still can't believe that no one else has hit it

Uh dude, it`s really hard.

Now what would be really REALLY cool, is if you did the trick without planting the set leg.

enhancement · Post by **enhancement** » 30 Nov 2004 18:06

I have been playing for around 1 and a half years now. I can also duck my inspinning set aswell. And yes I think I do have a very fast inspin. I also set from toe and I was sure that was the same?
TOE (RIGHT)>FRONT SPIN (TOWARDS BAG)>OP IN>FRONT SPIN (REVERSE SPIN DIRECTION)>OP CLIP
If that is wrong make sure you let me know.

wolfpac444 · Post by **wolfpac444** » 30 Nov 2004 18:42

I think everyone thought that you were setting it from clipper when you described it as just an inspinning paradox torque.

enhancement · Post by **enhancement** » 30 Nov 2004 23:26

Well although I haven't tried it from clipper yet, would it still be the same?

Would that mean someone has hit that move?

comastalker · Post by **comastalker** » 01 Dec 2004 05:18

I'd personally say, the setting location is quite irrelevant, as this trick is hard because of it's spinning (the motion itself) and the momentum-change

Anz · Post by **Anz** » 01 Dec 2004 11:56

I think I could hit it from clipper... I'll try tomorrow.

And then I'll hit it b2b!!!!

--- or not...

OR YES!!!

In fact that doesn't sound too bad... I'll definetly give it a try or two tomorrow. If I remember

(Somebody force me to go to sleep!!)

david · Post by **david** » 01 Dec 2004 12:07

but bro, didnt you say you almost hit it b2b? and if you set if off toe... would the 2nd one have to be clipper? so doesnt that contradict where youve hit it from?

ericksonj · Post by **ericksonj** » 01 Dec 2004 13:50

If you are setting it from toe, then it would simply be inspinning torque and you would not get the paradox add. Thus the trick would not be in marius.

Or is this not correct? Say you perform a regular marius, but you set it from toe instead. Do you get the paradox add or must it be set from clipper. I would tend to think you must set it from clipper but I could be wrong.

Regardless, that would be a cool move to see and would be quite hard too.

jon · Post by **jon** » 01 Dec 2004 14:14

i think the spin negates where the bag is set from, ie after a spin it doesnt matter where the bags starts it can still get paradox, just my opinion though

Tsiangkun · Post by **Tsiangkun** » 01 Dec 2004 14:14

IMO this trick would get a paradox add, because, the paradox is derived from the relationship between the bag and the body prior to the beginning of the first dex.

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 01 Dec 2004 18:44

as usual Cameron is right. Spinning op full dex is always pdx - it doesn't matter what you set off - be it a clipper, toe, elbow or mouth stall.

I'm not sure if you'd get an inspin add for a toe set though. I find toe set inspinning pretty easy. Actually in Brisbane I hit toe set inspinning op toe both sides first attempt ever - so I hardly ever do it. - It just doesn't feel anywhere near as hard as clip set inspinning. But I don't know - I don't really care if it gets an inspin add or not since I'll probably never hit a toe inspin move in a shred 30 and that's the only time when I consider the adds of moves. (my next shred 30 is going to start with da da curve>pdx day curve>blurry da da curve repeat and I'll also try and hit pixie op and ss da da curve bsos, atomic and tapping da da curve both sides and maybe sailing da da curve - 7 adds!!

)

I'm just kidding about the shred 30 - but it's a good idea - especially if I did it at worlds - it would force everybody to finally reduce the adds for da da curve and make it at 3 add.

qphox · Post by **qphox** » 01 Dec 2004 22:40

Another bullshit detector wrote:but bro, didnt you say you almost hit it b2b? and if you set if off toe... would the 2nd one have to be clipper? so doesnt that contradict where youve hit it from?

Yeah, word!

enhancement · Post by **enhancement** » 02 Dec 2004 00:28

Yeah I did almost hit it back to back, but the second one was set onto my strong side. Also I set it from right toe, inspin and change direction for the torque, so yeah it does get paradox. I have also ducked it, once, it was when I first got all my inspinning ducking moves and stuff. I wasn't really wanting to name it, I was just asking if anyone had hit it........

guess not

Anz · Post by **Anz** » 02 Dec 2004 11:52

I tried to hit that trick today. Didn't got it, but had a couple quite close attempts.
Marius is not very hard for me but this one has one nasty thing compared to ordinary Spinning Pdx Torque: angle which bag comes when dexing.
My inspins suck, so that's what I have to skool for nailing this.
I tried also a couple times from toe. It doesn't make it any easier.

Props dude for hitting it - this is a nasty one!

Post by **Allan** » 02 Dec 2004 20:51

I did this move (one sided) once, about two years ago (from clipper). Call it whatever you want though, I don't care

edit: oh, and props!!! way fun. from toe? sweeet

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 02 Dec 2004 20:57

AllanHaggett wrote:I did this move (one sided) once, about two years ago (from clipper). Call it whatever you want though, I don't care

I think it should be called:

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That is nice and concise

enhancement · Post by **enhancement** » 03 Dec 2004 00:11

I was thinking "Infamous"

, just and idea. My inspin set does go like straight up aswell

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 03 Dec 2004 16:28

I thought of the best name for this move!!

"Godel"

Here's my explenation.

This move is basically a pdx mobius. Inspinning is basically pdx spinning because it's spinning from the wrong clipper (in the same way footbag.org explains pdx as setting with wrong clipper). Obviously it is also a pdx torque instead of a normal torque.

Mobius is named after the German Mathematician of the same name - who "invented" a strip of paper with only one side. This is in many ways a paradox.

Kurt Godel is also a german mathematician who came up with a Godel's Incompleteness Theorem - which is basically a paradox about paradoxes and shows that no sytem can be complete.

So Godel is a pdx mobius and mobius is a pdx - Godel's theorem is a pdx of pdxs.

qphox · Post by **qphox** » 04 Dec 2004 01:10

...

Hmmm...

Or Maybe In-Marius.

james · Post by **james** » 04 Dec 2004 01:22

Hahahahaha or howabout flying fuckweasal!

Though I do like the sound of godal for some odd reason which is at odds with my normally disagreeful nature (esp w/ that aussie Jeremy!)