If I said I hit `crispy whirr`...

C-Fan · Post by **C-Fan** » 12 Jan 2005 16:07

When I began freestyling in 1997, my friend Josh Penney coined the terms `crispy` and `original recipe` to denote how tricks which share the same Job`s notation are hit. Back in 97 if I said I hit crispy whirr, it would have been understood that I hit stepping whirl. Now that freestyle has progressed so much, there are at least 3 totally different ways to make certain moves `crispy.`

The purpose of this poll is mostly just so I could share this revelation with y`all, but I also think it`d be interesting to see what move first pops into people`s heads when they hear `crispy whirr.`

HackingGanesh · Post by **HackingGanesh** » 12 Jan 2005 16:16

Haha Ken, when I opened your thread I read the title, then I went into your post, and I was like "CRISPY WHIRR IN 97?!"

FlexThis · Post by **FlexThis** » 12 Jan 2005 16:53

mosher · Post by **mosher** » 12 Jan 2005 17:18

But whirr is two whirls, if you make it crispy you are doing one of the dexes uptime and the other downtime. So that means that you do one of the whirls uptime (blazing) and then a whirl on the way down.

I don't think it makes as much sense to call it stepping ss whirl because that is a hippy stepping set and then a whirl.

Muffinman · Post by **Muffinman** » 12 Jan 2005 17:26

Clearly whirling same whirl :p

wolfpac444 · Post by **wolfpac444** » 12 Jan 2005 17:31

Yeah, I don't think anything other than whirling same whirl makes sense. I think people have come to the point where they distinguish between whirling/stepping, butterfly/reverse whirl, etc. (i.e. whirlwalk is different than blurry whirl).

Slowsis · Post by **Slowsis** » 12 Jan 2005 18:39

I am confused entirely by whirling set.....is it just a leggy stepping?

If so the whirling whirl would be the obvious choise, though blazing whirl has every right to be called crispy whirl as well.

wolfpac444 · Post by **wolfpac444** » 12 Jan 2005 18:45

Blazing is whirling to an op side component. It is much (I would say exactly, but that is a different topic) like stepping and blurry.

Muffinman · Post by **Muffinman** » 12 Jan 2005 19:09

Blazing is as much a stepping set as whirl is a mirage.
Blazing is a whirl set to op component, like Mike said.

mosher · Post by **mosher** » 12 Jan 2005 19:13

wolfpac444 wrote:Blazing is whirling to an op side component. It is much (I would say exactly, but that is a different topic) like stepping and blurry.

Fine, not blazing whirl, whirling same side whirl, that's just being nit picky at that point!

I believe a clear and definable difference exists between stepping and whirling. They are totally different motions.

One can argue all they want that they are not unique but that is not the topic here.

The question was regarding what it would be if you separated the two components of whirr (whirl and whirl) into an uptime part and a downtime part. Logically that leaves you with a whirl on the way up and a whirl on the way down, so whirling same side whirl.

I don't see where stepping figures into this at all!

edit: if we have two names for the leggy/hippy versions of clip>op in why do we only have one for toe>op out (aka leggy vs hippy atomic)?

qphox · Post by **qphox** » 12 Jan 2005 19:29

Good question my friend.

wolfpac444 · Post by **wolfpac444** » 12 Jan 2005 19:33

Props to whoever voted for barraging ss clipper

Johnny · Post by **Johnny** » 12 Jan 2005 19:55

Erik Chan wrote:Clearly whirling same whirl :p

sampotter · Post by **sampotter** » 12 Jan 2005 19:57

I believe they are unique from each other as one constitutes a full dex and the other does not. Jobs should be irrelevant in uniqueness (not to open a can of worms).

I would think whirling ss whirl.

Outsider · Post by **Outsider** » 12 Jan 2005 21:48

Mosher said:

But whirr is two whirls, if you make it crispy you are doing one of the dexes uptime and the other downtime. So that means that you do one of the whirls uptime (blazing) and then a whirl on the way down.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate. Actually, what we have here is clearly a very bad misunderstanding of what is meant by "CRISPY" that I keep seeing on this board over and over again. It annoys me. As Ken said,

Back in 97 if I said I hit crispy whirr, it would have been understood that I hit stepping whirl.

Exactly correct, Ken (of course, and I expect nothing less from the Ceiling Fan). As the man implied, the real definition of "CRISPY" was not simply an uptime component when a downtime was the norm. Rather, it was a stepping set when a mirage was the usual. I think it was the quick set WITH AN OBVIOUS PLANT that made something appear to be crispy relative to the way it was ordinarily done. Thus, doing an up-time whirling downtime whirl is not crispy, since there must be that plant to make the move crispy. If it doesn't have a stepping set and its associated plant, then theres nothing crispy about it.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to finish flossing.

shreddaily · Post by **shreddaily** » 12 Jan 2005 22:09

Mr. schneider you're so old...yet so informative!!!

I thought it was funny that the 2 old schoolers (ken and flex) were the only ones to think stepping whirl. Good to know what the coiner of the term was talking about.

However, sorry to sound like a little brat, but SCREW the original definition. The def should be, a move seperated into two components, usualy uptime and downtime, when it could otherwise be performed in one fluent motion.
Thus whirling>plant>whirl sounds like a crispy whirr to me. But I'm just a newb

wolfpac444 · Post by **wolfpac444** » 12 Jan 2005 22:13

Fine, Jon ;-] When ever people on the board misinterpret "CRIPSY" and "ORIGINAL", they are actually talking about "ÇRISPY" and "ÖRIGINAL" but were to lazy to write the nonstandard characters.

But, seriously, (as Nate just said as I was writing), it is silly to use restrictive definitions, when their generalizations are so much more applicable and productive. Gyro falls into this category.

shreddaily · Post by **shreddaily** » 12 Jan 2005 22:16

C-Fan wrote:When I began freestyling in 1997, my friend Josh Penney coined the terms `crispy` and `original recipe` to denote how tricks which share the same Job`s notation are hit. `

SOoooooo.... was the original intention of crispy stepping versus miraging, or was it that those were the only practical/applicable moves at the time??? Because by the bold faced words whirling whirl and whirr fit that definition exactly.

Hope you don't think I'm pickin on you Outsider... I know you've got the answers, I'm just trieing to get them out.

smpdustin15 · Post by **smpdustin15** » 12 Jan 2005 23:01

i said blazing same side
i hate to nit pick but isnt blazing same flaring
brad nelson named it right
thats all of my comment

Muffinman · Post by **Muffinman** » 12 Jan 2005 23:12

Whirr can be crispy with two whirl dexes: muted whirling same whirl. Would this, now, fit under the definition of crispy from 1997? (Or did I misunderstand your point?

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