Philosophy

comastalker · Post by **comastalker** » 21 Apr 2005 11:59

the global quantity of resources are enough for all human times 12.
I agree on your view of abiotic and biotic population-reduction-factors.

Virii (is that the plural of virus?) are the best example.
I personally think that one day a really fucked up virii will kill the majority of mankind. Statistically the growth of our population has always been followed by a growing quantity, strength and durability of virii;
it's only a matter of time.

habitat · Post by **habitat** » 21 Apr 2005 12:08

delakong wrote:I thought the " " gave it away.

yeah, I would really enjoy some new smileys, but hey that cant happen, the mods just won't do it for some odd reason. hmmm

its just so easy to do too

Tsiangkun · Post by **Tsiangkun** » 21 Apr 2005 12:10

comastalker wrote:Hobbes and Platon for more theory on that issue.

I've studied hobbes, he is an athiest, but not an anarchist. His philosophy explicitly spells out the power structures and responsibilities involved with land ownership, and the roles of the common man versus the rulers.

Hobbes most definately was about forceful take over, and not about voluntary submission to another by virtue of their skills.

comastalker · Post by **comastalker** » 21 Apr 2005 12:15

I commented this part :

yielding their power to the experience and wisdom of those whome they respect as superiosr for natural reasons instead of an artificial title.

no one is called "superior" in anachist societies.
I completely agree to the rest you said

Tsiangkun · Post by **Tsiangkun** » 21 Apr 2005 12:32

But they do.

It's similar to an apprentice and the master, but the master is the superior by virtue of his skills, not by his position. You can disagree with the wording , but the concept is the same, and there most definately exists power structures in anarchist communities. They are fragile power structures, but they still exist.

I would say the person I am learning from right now is superior to me, and I would yield my voice in the direction in the project to them should we disagree. I don't consider my boss a superior though, he was just placed into a position of authority and society demands I respect because of the title. I respect him where his knowledge is greater than mine, and tell him what's up when the topic is what I do best.

Asmus · Post by **Asmus** » 21 Apr 2005 12:39

Maybe there would be superiors in anarchy societys.. But the meaning is that there should be no superious in any kind of level..

Tsiangkun · Post by **Tsiangkun** » 21 Apr 2005 12:44

That's an slightly ignorant view of anarchism as a philosophy though. F/OSS is anarchy in action. Teams form, power structures emerge, and positions are occupied by those who have the backing to occupy them.

Those "anarchist" on telegraph are punk ass kids who leach off others like parasites. They haven't formed an anarchist society, they have become helpless, without handouts from the power structure they revolt against.

Anarchism is like feminism, lots of different factions.

comastalker · Post by **comastalker** » 21 Apr 2005 12:44

Tsiangkun wrote:But they do.

It's similar to an apprentice and the master, but the master is the superior by virtue of his skills, not by his position. You can disagree with the wording , but the concept is the same, and there most definately exists power structures in anarchist communities. They are fragile power structures, but they still exist.

I would say the person I am learning from right now is superior to me, and I would yield my voice in the direction in the project to them should we disagree. I don't consider my boss a superior though, he was just placed into a position of authority and demands respect because of the title.

selective superiority, maybe.
let me express it this way :
there's no authority in anarcho-comunism / anarcho-syndicalism.

what you said is only a half-truth :
you can't describe sociological things like non-authoritary hierarchies in anarchism... anarchism ain't just anarchism. responding to what you said, an individualist would say that's completely wrong.

BainbridgeShred · Post by **BainbridgeShred** » 21 Apr 2005 14:45

I don't believe that people from other religions will be tormented for eternity for being born in a non Christian country

Don't over-simplify things. If you believe that this is truly what is set out in the Bible, than you're just as blind to the facts of my religion as Damon is. And don't use what idiotic people, such as Damon, believe as a tool to degrade my religion, when really your understanding of the Bible only goes as far as how you can use it to prove that the Christian religion is wrong.

It seems you have your path laid out right in front of you and it isn't to serve God's will.

Who are you to speak of God's will? Who are you to speak of God's will when you openly claim that you "do not give to the poor". That is a pretty definitive statement, saying that you do not and do not plan to give to those in need. If you think you'll get into Heavan by saying you're a Christian but not acting the part, well then you got another thing coming.
Also, Christ classified one of the most important ways to get to Heavan as loving "your neighbor as yourself". And so far Damon, it seems the Aethists on this board are doing a better job of it than you.

And by faith I mean admitting you are not the center of the universe and that something else is in control.

What Aethist has ever claimed that they were the center of the Universe? But on the other hand, many psuedo-religious dictators have made such haughty claims.

And yes, I am flaming on you and yes I hope I have stepped on toes.

Because that's the Christian thing to do, right?

This isn't the first time I have had to stand up against you people and fight for my beliefs, however far contrived from your non-beliefs.

So I'll assume this also isn't the first time you've been made fun of, and then walken away from?

I find that lazy and void of morals

But you don't back your claims up, how is Aethism void of morals or lazy? In fact, most Aethist's I have met have researched more into theology than most pious people.

By bashing God you are empowering terrorists

But at the saem time, terrorists think we're "bashing God". You are a WASP terrorist, congradulations.

comastalker · Post by **comastalker** » 21 Apr 2005 15:35

pathetic and homophobic.
luckily ppl like you are the minority

comastalker · Post by **comastalker** » 21 Apr 2005 15:43

I voted Bush faggot!

That makes me the majority.

You however eat dick, that makes you the minority.

~later footfag

I always like to be PMed

full nelson · Post by **full nelson** » 21 Apr 2005 15:45

He's insane.

mattkain · Post by **mattkain** » 21 Apr 2005 15:47

Didn't you claim a few weeks ago that you weren't homophobic? So now you're pathetic, homophobic, a coward (since you post some of the most hateful, virulent comments and then delete them to avoid the storm), a hypocrite (two posts ago you were done with footbag), and worst of all you're redundant (didn't we go through one of your tantrums on Flipsider?). Looks like someone needs to cough up a few more dollars for anger management.

MK

P.S. Before I forget, Bye!

comastalker · Post by **comastalker** » 21 Apr 2005 15:48

My people didn't bring Hitler to power faggot.

Why don't you take a tall leap off a short cliff while riding your boyfriends cock backwards, you retarded fuck face.

If you're gay and you know it, move to Germany.

How you like them apples faggot. Doesn't feel good does it faggot. Having someone riding you, cussing you, making fun of your country.

Fags must run rampant in Germany, good thing you don't live here.

I also always like creativity

mattkain · Post by **mattkain** » 21 Apr 2005 15:49

FlexThis wrote:Eat a dick. FAGGOT!

Again, redundant. Yawn. Damon, you lack creativity.

MK

comastalker · Post by **comastalker** » 21 Apr 2005 15:49

FlexThis wrote:Eat a dick. FAGGOT!

..and redundance

Tsiangkun · Post by **Tsiangkun** » 21 Apr 2005 16:00

FlexThis wrote:atheist terrorist anarchist mother fucking sons of bitches

whatever, go cool off, and we will see you next week.

comastalker · Post by **comastalker** » 21 Apr 2005 16:07

lickily I found something as boring as your posts are....
thought I'd never sleep this night but now I'm gonna do exactly that (with my girlfriend)

good night white pride
(may your chains rest lightly upon you)

P.S.: just found that at flag :

If we must have trolls around here can't they at least be a bit more creative? <br>"anarchy iz gay" is so much duller than something such as "all anarchists wear ugly clothes with orange stripes and purple polka dots and they all eat children and throw puppies into the ocean and I wish that all the anarchists in the world would get run over by large cement rollers that would make them squish along the sidewalk in a very eerie way, to the amusement of the children" or something such as that. At least make it a bit more worth my reading time. As of now, the quality is considerably low.

@tsiangkun:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_Atheist_Conspiracy

Tsiangkun · Post by **Tsiangkun** » 21 Apr 2005 16:14

I am committed to the application of reason and science to the understanding of the universe and to the solving of human problems.

I believe in the cultivation of (secular) moral excellence.

I am deeply concerned with the moral education of our children. I want to nourish reason and compassion.

I deplore efforts to denigrate human intelligence, to seek to explain the world in supernatural terms, and to look outside nature for salvation.

I am concerned with securing justice and fairness in society and with eliminating discrimination and intolerance.

I have donated blood to the Red Cross as well as monies to various secular charities.

I have volunteered to tutor, teach lessons and donate materials to public schools.

I have prepared food in my home for homeless members of my community.

I am an Atheist, I live my religion and don't have to study it from a book.

BainbridgeShred · Post by **BainbridgeShred** » 21 Apr 2005 17:24

I am committed to the application of reason and science to the understanding of the universe and to the solving of human problems.

I believe in the cultivation of (secular) moral excellence.

I am deeply concerned with the moral education of our children. I want to nourish reason and compassion.

I deplore efforts to denigrate human intelligence, to seek to explain the world in supernatural terms, and to look outside nature for salvation.

I am concerned with securing justice and fairness in society and with eliminating discrimination and intolerance.

I have donated blood to the Red Cross as well as monies to various secular charities.

I have volunteered to tutor, teach lessons and donate materials to public schools.

I have prepared food in my home for homeless members of my community.

I am an Atheist, I live my religion and don't have to study it from a book.

I feel the need to justify myself to someone like Damon?