AllanHaggett wrote:Thanks SO much to the entire Worlds 2005 crew for their excellent and unprecedented organization and coverage of this event for those of us unable to make it out. You all RULE!
Jeremy, First of all, I want to preface this by thanking you for all the work you've been doing recently and for your activism on behalf of IFPA. It is greatly appreciated.
That being said, I have to respond critically about your statements thus far in this thread (BTW this is not the thread to be having this discussion - it should be split).
It's easy to say that the judging sucks until you are in the position of being a judge for an event like this. I honestly don't think you should be making such critical statements about judging results until you've been one.
This is not to blast you for your inexperience, and it's not to say that your input is not very valuable and appreciated. But lighten up a bit. You can't say that the judging was "horrible". You weren't there. You don't know what it's like.
As Juha said, what we need are more people interested in being judges and, not only that, but then have those people get out to all the tournaments and get lots of experience. It's all about the experience. You can study the rules until you're blue in face but still totally screw things up when under pressure.
Yeah yeah, I'm sure that judging is hard. However it's just as hard to judge a footbag routine as it is to judge a gymastics routine, an airial ski jump, a surfing run or any other expressive based sport - yet those judges have much more consistancy at least between themselves and a much more professional attitude - even at amature primary school competitions. Why should we expect lower standards from judges for footbag? How can we ever expect things to get any better if we don't make a serious effort to do that - instead of self congratulating our mediocre efforts.
I may be inexperienced in the field of freestyle routine judging. But I also can easily understand what the scores mean in gymnastics and why each performer gets that specific score very easily - yet I've never done any form of gynmastics. Why is it then that in the sport I've spent hours watching, hours studying the rules and 4 years of my life basically playing every day that I really can't understand where the players artistic scores come from at all. For example can somebody explain to me why Karim averaged a whole point less than Honza on artistic merit? Was it the drops? If it was why did Honza end up with almost an identical artistic score to Vasek? Is it because the judges thought Honza's routine was a lot better artistically than Vaseks but dropped points for the drop like they did with Karim? There's just no kind of consistancy or transparency in the judging.
Sorry the double post. Allan is right in saying this is the wrong topic for this discussion. In fact it's the wrong forum. It was inappropriate for me to write such criticism here - not that I don't agree with them but discussion on this forum will achieve nothing. If you have an opinion on judging you should join the ifpa and the apply to join one of the relevant committees. All my further discussion of this topic will take place there.
Sorry for hijack.
The videos are great and the routines are great. Things specifically relevant to the IFPA should be discussed in the appropriate forum rather than anywhere.
I'm not trying to argue with you and say that there's nothing wrong with the judging system. What I'm saying it that the system is young and inexperienced, as are the judges. Inconsistencies are to be expected. That's how we gain the experience we need to figure out. It'd be nice if we were to the level of other sports, but we're not just yet.
I'm also not trying to tell you that you shouldn't say anything. What I've issue with Jeremy is the way you're approaching this. You calling the judging "horrible" and stating that it "sucked" is really unprofessional and very uncalled-for in my opinion.
without reading anything that anyone else has posted in this section, I would like to say that I enjoyed peter irish's performance more than anyones. I thought it was the most professionally put together routine out of the bunch. Many of the routines were quite bland in my opinion, but I thought peter added an element of charm to his routine, and I really enjoyed the sections that he had. Way to go Pete, it was fun to watch!
Always Shreddin
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ericksonj wrote:without reading anything that anyone else has posted in this section, I would like to say that I enjoyed peter irish's performance more than anyones. I thought it was the most professionally put together routine out of the bunch. Many of the routines were quite bland in my opinion, but I thought peter added an element of charm to his routine, and I really enjoyed the sections that he had. Way to go Pete, it was fun to watch!
I definitely agree. Props to Pete.
Props to everyone!
Hey can I ask a question? In Jere's routine, was that the beginning to MLK Jr's "I Have a Dream" speech followed by "Whatever man" ...? It sounded like it, and ... well I have my own feelings towards that, but I was just wondering if that IS indeed what it said.
BigDirtyFoot wrote:In Jere's routine, was that the beginning to MLK Jr's "I Have a Dream" speech followed by "Whatever man" ...? It sounded like it, and ... well I have my own feelings towards that, but I was just wondering if that IS indeed what it said.
yeah i thought that was kind of nuts. anyone that was there, did the crowd reaction david and i heard on the video actually happen? [one of absolute silence and shock] or did no one really care?
QuantumBalance wrote:Does anyone else think that Vaseks sick 3 was
THE
?!?!?!
Cuz it looked like it to me. I think that should come into effect in the judging!
Which part?
Sick 3 was judged on the site, so the judges couldn't see the combos on slow motion. If Sick 3 was a official event, things would've been different, of course. Maybe one year there will be official IFPA rules for sick 3...
In Jere's routine, was that the beginning to MLK Jr's "I Have a Dream" speech followed by "Whatever man" ...?
That's what I heard. Except the guy says "whatever dude!". I don't really like the look Jere gives after it too. Kinda scary.
In first round Jere had the whole intro there and he did it pretty dramatically. But it last 30secs and he didn't want to just stand there for half a minute in final, so he mixed it with this comment "what ever dude". He doesn't mean there that he wouldn't respect everything what MLK said. He referred to that long intro which was kinda boring to wait. It was kinda bad taste, but come on, it was just a joke and a way to get the routine going
Tuukka wrote:In first round Jere had the whole intro there and he did it pretty dramatically. But it last 30secs and he didn't want to just stand there for half a minute in final, so he mixed it with this comment "what ever dude". He doesn't mean there that he wouldn't respect everything what MLK said. He referred to that long intro which was kinda boring to wait. It was kinda bad taste, but come on, it was just a joke and a way to get the routine going
-Tuukka
Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification, that makes a lot more sense. My friends and I were sort of confused by his intro. And it seemed like the crowd was like "Wtf? Racist jerk?" by their immediate silence. Hahahaha but I'm glad to know that's not what really happened.
Special props to Jorden for having done better in finals than semis, to Honza for having done his shred 30 dropless in semis and finals and Vasek for his world-record (is it?) semis 30s shred.
big props to all other competitors for having made it into the shred 30 semi + final, the level of play was huge.
How much time do judges have to make their scores?
60sec.
justin
In the finals it took around 2 minutes for judges to give their scores and for Juha to type them in Excel and screens for the audience. Adds, drops & contacts were provided to the audience and judges in under 30 secs after each finals routine (not exact adds, but close enough). So we had a new competitor on the stage every 4 minutes.
I must underline, that judging finals was really, really hard this year. I judged in the semis, and it was already very difficult. The level is so high these days and people are so close to each other, it's hard to give scores after seeing the routine once. But that's how it works with this judging system. I think the judges made the right decisions and the right guy won and so on.
Vaskes routine owned and so did the others!
