Run Length vs. Intensity

Paul Agostinelli · Post by **Paul Agostinelli** » 01 Nov 2005 00:03

HenryG wrote:
Splint wrote: You have "IT". Unlike 99.999% of the players to touch a footbag you have what it takes to be the best in the world.

thats a blatant lie. Its all about time put into the sport, level of practice (serious, goofy, laid back) and many other aspects.

he didnt specify what "IT" is. it may mean raw talent, but to me it means the dedication necessary to be the best in the world. and if there is anyone ive met to date who has that dedication, its jorden.

so no, henry, splint didnt blatantly lie, you blatantly assumed and we all know you cant spell assume without ass.

~NEL~

HG · Post by HG » 01 Nov 2005 15:29

are you retarded

footjoe · Post by **footjoe** » 01 Nov 2005 15:34

why the fuck does every thread turns out to be some arguement , no wonder why people dont like modified , why cant we all get get along?

FootbagGuru · Post by **FootbagGuru** » 01 Nov 2005 15:49

what about a long intense run?

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 01 Nov 2005 15:50

I think it's the nature of internet forums and people not being as polite with faceless people as they are with people in person. I don't think it should concern people since most of us don't hold grudges based on arguements on the internet unless they seem significantly malicious.

Regarding "it" - I would agree with both Paul and Brad. I think Jorden's mental approach to footbag is what gives him the edge and I doubt that many other players have that same attitude even if they know what attitude they need to be the best. I think Henry is also right when he says that getting to the top in footbag is all about time put into the sport (and efficency with that time). But look at it like this - Jorden and Vasek both at times in their life have practiced 3 or 4 hours (and more) per day and they both got really really good really really quickly. If that's what it takes why don't more people do that? I can't believe that they are the only two footbaggers in the world that have the time in the day to do that. Sure some players can't prioritise 3 or 4 hours every day but surely some can. Why don't they? I would say it's because they don't have the driving mental desire to perfect what they're doing - they don't have the obsessiveness or the competitativeness or the drive. They don't have what it takes to be the best mentally.

So to sum up my post. Everybody is right

Paul Agostinelli · Post by **Paul Agostinelli** » 01 Nov 2005 16:09

i wasnt starting drama with that line, it was a joke. it came to me when i was going to mention that you have to assume what brad meant by "it"

ignoring that line, i stand by what i said about jordens mental capacity.

he is the most determined individual ive met to be the best in the world at something, and it seems that he views all aspects of his life this way, raw determination to excel, look at his 3ball juggling for instance. my point is that yes, some people may be inhibited by physical maladies; obesity, bad joints, injuries, etc. but barring that, the only person stopping you from being the best in the world, is you. (rhetorical "you"s).

it may be an old cliche but where there is a will, there is a way, and J-man has the will.

~NEL~

and no, henry, i am not retarded, and even if i was, ive met some very smart and articulate retarded people, and THEY actually compare to jorden in tenacity.

HG · Post by HG » 01 Nov 2005 16:49

you cant spell cliche without shut the hell up

Just kidding paul. But seriously. Anyone can become the best. you dont need anything special except wise use of time, and a good plan. most people play for fun. Thats why they dont strive to be the best.

brian relly · Post by **brian relly** » 01 Nov 2005 20:12

Jeremy wrote:If that's what it takes why don't more people do that? I can't believe that they are the only two footbaggers in the world that have the time in the day to do that. Sure some players can't prioritise 3 or 4 hours every day but surely some can. Why don't they? I would say it's because they don't have the driving mental desire to perfect what they're doing - they don't have the obsessiveness or the competitativeness or the drive. They don't have what it takes to be the best mentally.

Sorry, but that's a crock of shit. I, and many others, have the mental drive and desire to become the best, but are simply not physical freaks of nature like many of the best. We would LIKE to practice 3-4 hours per day, but are simply not physically capable of doing so. Without proper cross-training, playing one sport for 3-4 hours a day results in the usual shin splints, torn cartilege, collapsed arches, etc. With proper cross-training, there is nowhere near 3-4 hours in anyone's schedule to play that long. If you're lucky enough to not suffer from major repetitive stress injuries by playing every day, then go for it and become the best.

Toby · Post by **Toby** » 01 Nov 2005 23:39

Stephen Barnes wrote:We would LIKE to practice 3-4 hours per day, but are simply not physically capable of doing so.

I think if you are careful, smart and disciplined, you can definately play for 3 to 4 hours a day. Nic and I are doing something of a shreddathon which started this week(our exams are over). So far i've done 6 or 7 hours on Monday, 2 hours yesterday and 6 hours again today and Nic has done a few hours more than me. So far it looks like we will survive the week.

It might be different for players who are at a higher level though.

Asmus · Post by **Asmus** » 02 Nov 2005 01:20

---I VOTE----
long relaxed runs
short intense runs
creativity X
I don't know
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Toby wrote: Nic and I are doing something of a shreddathon which started this week(our exams are over). So far i've done 6 or 7 hours on Monday, 2 hours yesterday and 6 hours again today and Nic has done a few hours more than me. So far it looks like we will survive the week.

Props for that!

JaJoo · Post by **JaJoo** » 02 Nov 2005 01:53

The best are long intense runs

Asmus · Post by **Asmus** » 02 Nov 2005 05:11

Creative Long Intense Runs! Like you do know

sniikeri · Post by **sniikeri** » 02 Nov 2005 08:34

No-one voting for "short, relaxed runs"?

Me neither.

I don't know really. It's really hard to judge what is a short or long run.

skankin · Post by **skankin** » 02 Nov 2005 10:48

I say fuck it, Jorden you have awesome creativity those calf bumps and flying toe delay showed us that you have that edge in your game, go for that.

I'd rather see a good player with style than one who does every moves like the ones before, boring runs even if they are intense are boring to watch.... Show us creativity

abstract · Post by **abstract** » 10 Nov 2005 11:50

I didn't vote, can't vote.

Shred 30 & Sick 3 represent the intensity in a competitive setting well, but I think the thing that will push footbag forward ( in respect of heightening awareness as a competitive sport ) is routines, which require endurance, creative links and artistic merit, encompassing both intensity and control.

Circle shredding is the essence of footbag, and in that respect, I like what Lon and Sam said. ( In reference to Splint's 'Selling Out' post, I think circle shredding also has the greatest commercial appeal )

For new people who are seeing footbag for the first time, I note that they always have a stronger reaction to long strings as opposed to short bursts.

Keep it interesting and I'll watch for hours!

crazylegs32 · Post by **crazylegs32** » 12 Nov 2005 21:24

As far as your footbag game in general go for crazy stuff as long as it doesnt tweak your body. If you want to compete in the current routine format you need to do a 2 minute run dropless, but I would concentrate on timing to the music, building things up instead of constant shred, etc...

Run Length vs. Intensity

Which do you think is better: long relaxed runs or short intense runs?