Will first of all there is so much confusion over such a basic trick. People use one name for two tricks "Around the World" = "Around the World In" and "Around the World Out".
When I think of "Around the World" I think "in-to-out" because I learned ATW this way. When I first started it was one of those confusing tricks, because you can do it two completetly opposite ways (...clearly two different tricks). I know lots of people who think "out-to-in" when they think of ATW also.
I think rather than having all of this confusion we should refer to the tricks with a more logical, consistant method of naming; we should refer to the tricks based on what the tricks actually are, "same side legover" and "same side pickup".
I know lots of people hate change and all of that, but it makes so much sense. When I read posts like Troyson's post about "double around the world pixie/fairy sets" I feel sad and confused.
"ATW" doesn't exist
haha i was the reason this topic was startedNagasake wrote:This is not a very good thought. This could potentially astrange and confuse a lot of people approaching the sport. Further, what's datw? TATW? This is like the MLO proposal that caught on for a little...
i agree with nagasake...when i try and explain what a legover or pickup is to my friends they have a hard time distinguishing the difference between the two and dont really understand what you have to do. When i explain tricks to my friends that are newcomers to the sport they can easily understand atw because its like a soccer move.Also, my friends understand tricks better if i explain something like a legover as an out atw set from your other toe.
this is kinda like the exact opposite of what erik was just saying we should do but i just think his idea would confuse newcomers more than they already are. My friends look at me like im on crack when i try and explain things like uptime, downtime, paradox, and even things like pixie set, fairy set, stepping etc.. Some even dont understand what dexing the bag is,maybe my friends are just partially retarted
Troy Erstling 
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hackeysnacker
yeah a lot of people confuse what atw is, but they're generally very new to the sport and learn in time. would u consider pixie/fairy set to same toe atw? to me atw has to be [of course] a toe set, with the bag being fully dexed w/ the calf of the same leg that set the bag (in to out or out to in it doesn't matter). I think it becomes really apparent what atw is or should be when someone executes a double atw, if they pixie or fairy for the first dex it doesn't really look right. Would anyone consider a pixie/fairy ss legover/atw a double atw? what about a toe set ss legover where the thigh does the dexing?
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hackeysnacker
The best way to describe a trick to someone would be to demonstrate it, or to show a video of it - some moves seem to depend on how they appear in order to be considered 'that move', as opposed to moves function. like stepping op legover vs clip>dlo, there's definitly a big difference in style, but the moves function is the same. "clipper>sympie uptime miraging leg-over" doesn't sound right. It probably is best to keep the names of basic tricks a bit more simplistic, and i think everyone knows what a clean atw looks like. On the other hand, were every single trick and every different style of executing that trick's moves functions to be given their own names, it would get waay to confusing, I'm already confused by what I'm saying I think the biggest part of this sport is visualization - If the terms are kept simple, even if arguable - people [particularly beginners] will have an easier time understanding and learning HOW to do those tricks.
sidenote: years back, I remember people always referring to this guys stepping tricks, and he tended to take extra steps between every move, and i never even realized it was the name of a set, but instead thought it was a term reffering to the extra foot scuffling he did till i started playing again
I think the biggest part of this sport is visualization - If the terms are kept simple, even if arguable - people [particularly beginners] will have an easier time understanding and learning HOW to do those tricks. sidenote: years back, I remember people always referring to this guys stepping tricks, and he tended to take extra steps between every move, and i never even realized it was the name of a set, but instead thought it was a term reffering to the extra foot scuffling he did till i started playing again