Well, now I've been doing this for around a month or so.
A quick hour or two a day whenever I have anything from 5 minutes to half an hour to do nothing else. Usually alone though since it's cold outside.
Anyway, I've definitely noticed progress.
First of all, when I started I could hardly catch the bag. Yes, my dexterity utterly sucks. Nor could I catch it on a foot.
Then, I got a Mr. Sandbag from my benefactor and started practicing. First while I just did toe and outside stalls...since it's cold outside and no space at home...
Things started to work.
Now, I can stall the bag pretty consistently via toe stall, but I've a small problem with that. Rather two problems:
When I started, I tried exxagerating the movements and it worked fine. Now that I can toe stall from a nice head level (1.85 meters) pretty consistently, when I try stalling from lower heights, I keep messing up. Apparently it's because I got into the habit to keep my legs close to myself. I think. But I find it really really hard to stall the bag if I bring it lower than waist level.
Second, since starting, I've been watching others do stuff...when it was warmer. The better players, I've noticed, have a certain 'hop' that they do whenever they kick. How long does it take to develop one? I'm trying to force it, but I just can't get it. I can stall the bag from mid air and fling it again when I land, but I can't quite control the direction nor how hard I fling it in that direction.
Well, off stalls, I'm finally able to do inside kicks with my left foot and occasionally with my right...This took me like 3 weeks to sort of understand how to place the movements. Yes, sad. But now that I can somewhat, how do I control where I kick it?
Also, my feet seem to be good at different things. My right can do toe stalls with ease and fail them around 5-8%. My left can do inside kicks with around 70% accuracy. Yet, my left can hardly do stalls and my right can hardly do kicks. I'm trying to use only the foot that is bad at each aspect, but it is so annoying failing it each time...Any suggestions on how to build ambidexterity?
Oh, and I do this barefoot most of the time. Because well...one doesn't wear shoes in his home...but I find it harder to stall in shoes except for outside/inside stall and find it easier to kick. By far easier to kick in shoes.
So my main question, after all this reading and ranting, is: What can I try that is relatively simple/easy to do and will keep me interested in this. I must say that I want to master it, but doing this for a week with almost no difference in each day is getting really dull. Especially since it's cold and no one else who I know plays now.
And it's finals week to come!
That explains it. Thanks to all who read this and give constructive criticism...
New...Wondering about a few things.
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What you want to try is to do left toe stall > right toe stall > left toe stall etc... your aim would be to get 10 consecutive alternating toe stalls.
First of all well done for at least noticing the "hop". This hop accompagnies just about every single footbag trick in the book from basics to super difficult ones. Getting this "hop" is not easy at first. Here is what I suggest you do to teach yourself this:
1) Throw the bag from your hand straight up in front of you
2) NO HIGHER THAN WAIST HIGH. It is rarely useful to set the bag any higher than that in the first stages of the game.
3) Hop into your delay, the hop should be tiny and should be done a fraction of a second before you delay the bag. What this hop does is that is starts the bending in your support leg which is half of the delay. The other half of the delay is done with your delaying foot.
4) Send the bag straight back up, again at about waist high.
5) Hand catch
Now repeat the process alternating sides. Once you get comfortable with this you should try left toe stall > right toe stall etc as stated in the beggining of this post.
Once you have the hop you'll notice that doing toe stalls becomes a lot more fluid and easy. Best of luck.
First of all well done for at least noticing the "hop". This hop accompagnies just about every single footbag trick in the book from basics to super difficult ones. Getting this "hop" is not easy at first. Here is what I suggest you do to teach yourself this:
1) Throw the bag from your hand straight up in front of you
2) NO HIGHER THAN WAIST HIGH. It is rarely useful to set the bag any higher than that in the first stages of the game.
3) Hop into your delay, the hop should be tiny and should be done a fraction of a second before you delay the bag. What this hop does is that is starts the bending in your support leg which is half of the delay. The other half of the delay is done with your delaying foot.
4) Send the bag straight back up, again at about waist high.
5) Hand catch
Now repeat the process alternating sides. Once you get comfortable with this you should try left toe stall > right toe stall etc as stated in the beggining of this post.
Once you have the hop you'll notice that doing toe stalls becomes a lot more fluid and easy. Best of luck.
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Get some lavers. I found that when I got lavers, modified ones, my consecutive toe stall count went from 3 to 10 instantly. They're easier to kick in than barefeet too.Oh, and I do this barefoot most of the time. Because well...one doesn't wear shoes in his home...but I find it harder to stall in shoes except for outside/inside stall and find it easier to kick. By far easier to kick in shoes
Simple/easy? Dude, if you wanna do something that's super-easy, and you can be instantly good at it, go pick up a ps2 game. But seriously, footbag isn't simple/easy, and it's actually difficult (at least in my case) to make any visible progress in the course of a week. Try not to get impatient after a week. It may seem like nothing's happening, but eventually you get a good flow of learning and things begin to come a little quicker. But I think, even for the top players, it takes a bit more than a week to really skool a move and get it dialed in. Last but not least, having nobody to play with is not really an excuse for not making an effort. Obviously you ARE making an effort, for which I give props. However, footbag isn't exactly a blockbuster, stadium filling sport. If you decide to really continue with Freestyle, then you'll find yourself playing and drilling alone more than you play with other people.What can I try that is relatively simple/easy to do and will keep me interested in this. I must say that I want to master it, but doing this for a week with almost no difference in each day is getting really dull. Especially since it's cold and no one else who I know plays now.
Needless to say, footbag is for sure much harder than the pros make it look. But at the same time, the physical, and mental rewards from hitting a new trick makes the difficulty and solo practicing soooooo worth it. Anyway, keep at it, and if you start getting bored, then maybe you don't have enough interest in the sport to begin with.
Oh, and since someone else is gonna say it, so I might as well: What's your name? Where ya from? Include it in your signature.
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Well the problem there is that I have a certain principle I try to uphold that says that before I go out and waste money on something I make sure that the following are true:Get some lavers. I found that when I got lavers, modified ones, my consecutive toe stall count went from 3 to 10 instantly. They're easier to kick in than barefeet too.
1. I am interested in it.
2. It will benefit me somehow in the long run.
3. I am at least somewhat good at it.
With those being given, I am certaintly interested in freestyle footbagging. I am certain that it will help me by giving me minimal excercise every day. Minimal being more than I would get by sitting in front f my computer 18 hours a day or bench curl my laptop. However, the 'being somewhat good' part is off. I try. However, I am nowhere near as fast a learner at this as certain others. I am better than when I started for sure, but I still haven't reached a 5 kick or 10 kicks consistently.
And the Lavers cost like...$100ish? I mean, sure, my speed skates cost me a nice $250, but I used them almost every day during the warmer months and I was good enough at using them so as not to get hurt...much...I just don't want to make any expensive investments in terms of money...
As for 'simple/easy' I meant as in tricks I can do right now. For example, for around 15 minutes outof the 2 or so hours I spend on practicing, I try various things. I finally somehow managed to do an 'Around the World' for the first time but most of the time I just can't bring my leg all the way around so quickly. Also things like how to keep kicking if I'm either pegged or peg myself...yeah, I suck that badly...I'm looking for 'little things' to do, since practicing outside stalls and stuff for 2 hours is just sick.
As for max, why no higher than WAIST HIGH? At the moment I can hardly plant my delaying leg fast enough at waist high at then delay again, either with that leg or the same one...
I'm doing so many things wrong. I blame it on the joints...and the computer. Mmm, whatever. Papers to write now. Good night.
P.S. To Skippy, you will notice that I have been doing this for at least 3 weeks if you read carefully in a few paragraphs from what you have quoted. Actually, I've been kicking...or trying to...most of the time for a little over a month now. When I started I could barely catch the bag with either foot or hand ><.
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Ok I think I understand a bit better. Usually the progression people follow (this is generalization) is this:
1) simple kicks
2) long strings of simple kicks (20+ kicks)
3) simple delays (toe stall inside stall outside stall) with kicks
4) delays + simple dexes (arounnd the world, legover mirage)
points 1) and 2) help at the beggining with simple spacial awareness, eye-foot coordination and body placement relative to the ball. When kicking the bag (not delaying) I would suggest trying to keep it at about chest high which should give you enough time to try different types of kicks (insides, ousides, flying clippers)
Step 3) see my earlier post. When doing delays the error most begginers do is to set the bag very high and try and delay it. It's simple physics, it'll be harder than if you keep it lower. If you're lacking the time to do a left toe delay > right toe delay try following these steps:
1) set the bag
2) plant your setting foot as soon as you can (ideally the bag should still be rising)
3) wait for the bag and do the small "hop" into the delay.
and allround good tip: STAY CALM
Good luck
1) simple kicks
2) long strings of simple kicks (20+ kicks)
3) simple delays (toe stall inside stall outside stall) with kicks
4) delays + simple dexes (arounnd the world, legover mirage)
points 1) and 2) help at the beggining with simple spacial awareness, eye-foot coordination and body placement relative to the ball. When kicking the bag (not delaying) I would suggest trying to keep it at about chest high which should give you enough time to try different types of kicks (insides, ousides, flying clippers)
Step 3) see my earlier post. When doing delays the error most begginers do is to set the bag very high and try and delay it. It's simple physics, it'll be harder than if you keep it lower. If you're lacking the time to do a left toe delay > right toe delay try following these steps:
1) set the bag
2) plant your setting foot as soon as you can (ideally the bag should still be rising)
3) wait for the bag and do the small "hop" into the delay.
and allround good tip: STAY CALM
Good luck
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Bagira,
The best thing you can do to help you learn to play footbag is to get together with other experienced players, to play with them, and learn from them directly. It can be much more effective than all this correspondense course stuff.
To that end, we have an excellent club here in New York City, and we get together to play almost every weekend in downtown Manhattan. We chip in and rend a dance studio for a few hours on the weekend. It usually comes out to about six or seven bucks each. We are meeting this weekend, on Sunday from 2:00 till 4:00. You should join us.
The dance studio is at the corner of 14th Street and 6th Avenue, and is called Dick Shea's / Angel's Hideaway. Its right next the the Rehoboth Nail Salon, and just a couple doors down from the Sol Moscot Opticians. The door of the studio is painted in a psychadelic swirl of colors, and you just need to buzz in on button three and they'll let you up.
If you are nowhere near New York City, than you should consider coming to the New Years Jam in Rochester, New York on New Year's Eve and New Year's Day. You can get all the details right on this forum in the "Journeys to Tourneys" section.
In either case there are lots of good kickers to learn from in both places, and other beginner kickers as well.
PM me if you need some more info about the New York City club.
The best thing you can do to help you learn to play footbag is to get together with other experienced players, to play with them, and learn from them directly. It can be much more effective than all this correspondense course stuff.
To that end, we have an excellent club here in New York City, and we get together to play almost every weekend in downtown Manhattan. We chip in and rend a dance studio for a few hours on the weekend. It usually comes out to about six or seven bucks each. We are meeting this weekend, on Sunday from 2:00 till 4:00. You should join us.
The dance studio is at the corner of 14th Street and 6th Avenue, and is called Dick Shea's / Angel's Hideaway. Its right next the the Rehoboth Nail Salon, and just a couple doors down from the Sol Moscot Opticians. The door of the studio is painted in a psychadelic swirl of colors, and you just need to buzz in on button three and they'll let you up.
If you are nowhere near New York City, than you should consider coming to the New Years Jam in Rochester, New York on New Year's Eve and New Year's Day. You can get all the details right on this forum in the "Journeys to Tourneys" section.
In either case there are lots of good kickers to learn from in both places, and other beginner kickers as well.
PM me if you need some more info about the New York City club.
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lavers arent $100, look on ebay, you should be able to get them for $30 or under.
as for your requirement of being good at it, it IS going to take some work. But an important thing to remember is that each little step forward you make in footbag feels awesome! It's hard to do, but definitely doable. You just need some time with it, and, as JS said, you need to kick with other players, preferably ones better than you. Luckily, there's a few of those in NYC.
Footbag is awesome, man. Don't pass up this opportunity to do the best thing ever with the coolest people ever because there's a little resistance at the beginning. If you truly enjoy kicking that bag around, then GET THOSE LAVERS, and GET OUT AND PLAY WITH OTHERS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. You'll love it, and the people you'll meet, more than you can imagine. Just give it a chance.
And, if you don't mess up your lavers too bad, and you really hate footbag, you can probably sell them for half what you paid for them on this web site anyway, so you'll get some of your (tiny) investment back
welcome. Give it a try.
as for your requirement of being good at it, it IS going to take some work. But an important thing to remember is that each little step forward you make in footbag feels awesome! It's hard to do, but definitely doable. You just need some time with it, and, as JS said, you need to kick with other players, preferably ones better than you. Luckily, there's a few of those in NYC.
Footbag is awesome, man. Don't pass up this opportunity to do the best thing ever with the coolest people ever because there's a little resistance at the beginning. If you truly enjoy kicking that bag around, then GET THOSE LAVERS, and GET OUT AND PLAY WITH OTHERS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. You'll love it, and the people you'll meet, more than you can imagine. Just give it a chance.
And, if you don't mess up your lavers too bad, and you really hate footbag, you can probably sell them for half what you paid for them on this web site anyway, so you'll get some of your (tiny) investment back
welcome. Give it a try.
BRICK!
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nyfa
Just remember, starting out is the HARDEST part for everybody who plays. Very very rarely you will find people who just hop into this sport, if they can. If you keep at the sport, it will become easier and more natural for you do stuff you couldn't before. Eveyone has frustrations, but you just can't let them get to you. Shred happy!
I don't know why I didn't mention this in my last post... The best thing to clear up your doubts about whether or not to continue with footbag would be to come to my tournament on New Year's Eve! There's a big thread about it in Journies to Tournies, and I believe there may be another spot or two in the van coming from NYC. you should look into it, it's going to be a great time. You should seriously consider it. I personally guarantee that it's going to be a blast.
BRICK!
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To Outsider, thanks, I'll look into that place in the city, however no earlier than after New Years.
To Matt Cross. Can't attend something like that yet. At least not before I get everything cleared up with school and get my A+s.
Today, I finally managed to do a few inside delay/stalls. And a flying clipper after many tries. Have to be very careful on landing when doing that. Quite sure one can twist an ankle pretty well with a bad landing...Still certainly getting somewhere.
Another question. Since the month or so that I've been attempting to footbag for 1-2 hours a day, my feet and legs hurt. All the time. They still do, though now in different places than they did before. No sharp pains though. This is normal right? Remember, my main physical activity before I picked this up was climbing stairs, walking around, and getting closer to attaining Carpal Tunnel Syndrome...Still...for a month...Is it a stamina/endurance thing that I will also build later?
To Matt Cross. Can't attend something like that yet. At least not before I get everything cleared up with school and get my A+s.
Today, I finally managed to do a few inside delay/stalls. And a flying clipper after many tries. Have to be very careful on landing when doing that. Quite sure one can twist an ankle pretty well with a bad landing...Still certainly getting somewhere.
Another question. Since the month or so that I've been attempting to footbag for 1-2 hours a day, my feet and legs hurt. All the time. They still do, though now in different places than they did before. No sharp pains though. This is normal right? Remember, my main physical activity before I picked this up was climbing stairs, walking around, and getting closer to attaining Carpal Tunnel Syndrome...Still...for a month...Is it a stamina/endurance thing that I will also build later?
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Yes this is normal. The first months of footbag are quite grueling. You're using muscles that you're not used to using. they'll hurt. Then you'll get build them and have better muscle memory and you'll be fine. Take some days off every now and then that helps.my feet and legs hurt. All the time. They still do, though now in different places than they did before. No sharp pains though. This is normal right?
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Just going to use this as my progress report thread along with various questions as they pop up.
Finally hit the 10 kick mark...though I wasn't able to reproduce it again today. Currently averaging around 4-7 kicks before I either lose my balance or the bag flies away.
Now that I can do inside kicks with left and outside kicks with right rather reliably, I need the practice the opposite feet with same kicks.
Also finally did one of those ATW or Legovers, though not sure which...think the ATW since I used same foot...Still very shaky on the movements though...I have no idea how people can move their feet so quickly as seen in the various videos circulating.
How would you guys reccomend going about attempting the dex type tricks? Quite sure there must be people here who couldn't move their feet as quick when they started...
Finally hit the 10 kick mark...though I wasn't able to reproduce it again today. Currently averaging around 4-7 kicks before I either lose my balance or the bag flies away.
Now that I can do inside kicks with left and outside kicks with right rather reliably, I need the practice the opposite feet with same kicks.
Also finally did one of those ATW or Legovers, though not sure which...think the ATW since I used same foot...Still very shaky on the movements though...I have no idea how people can move their feet so quickly as seen in the various videos circulating.
How would you guys reccomend going about attempting the dex type tricks? Quite sure there must be people here who couldn't move their feet as quick when they started...
Mikhail Bukhonko
Toe Box = crutch.. they're ok once you're doing dexes and whatnot, but just learning toe > op toe > op toe > etc.... shouldn't require a toe box or lavers. Lavers are good though don't get me wrong.Get some lavers. I found that when I got lavers, modified ones, my consecutive toe stall count went from 3 to 10 instantly.
www.footbag.com, read the book it'll get u on the right track to consecutive kicking + proper form
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I'm glad that I never attempted dex tricks in shoes that weren't close to footbag shoes. Because I've seen friends with skate shoes drilling dex tricks like mirages and whatnot, and it always looks crazy weird cause their shoes are mad heavy. You have to realize that Lavers are also REALLY light shoes. In comparison to your regular skate shoe which weighs 409lbs apiece. I dunno. I'm gonna stop posting here cause I'm still a noob anyway, so I can't say I've got piles of experience. But I'm just saying that personally, after being a hackyslacker for 5 years and then finally getting into freestyle, I'm glad I didn't start really getting into freestyle until AFTER I got my lavers and shorts. I think it just develops good habits is all.
dan cyr
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Ok. By now, I think I can hack somewhat well. As in basic kicks and stalls. I can do them all pretty reliably. Now if I could keep the bag from flying away or losing my balance, I'd easily be able to do 10+ consecutive kicks/delays...And I usually come close by now.
Decided to start with legovers since I don't know what a mirage is, though I probably did one or two by accident.
Legovers are starting to go well actually. Relatively. Practicing them is particularly physically hard for a few reasons. First, the knees take a damn lot of work. Think I pulled something in my right leg slightly. Secondly, reaching down for the bag every 5 seconds is incredibly annoying and exhausting after 10 minutes. Third, is it just me, or am I having so much difficulty with the legovers because my legs are long? Am around 185-188 cm height. Need something to blame for my ineptitude.
Anyway, in the last half an hour with approx 200 attempts at legover, I actually did one stably. On left foot. Around 30-40% of attempts, my toes actually touched the bag, but either flung the bag away or couldn't hold it.
Oh, and I am doing them barefoot. For the reason that I find that doing any delay other than the inside is much easier than in shoe.
Hmm. Also, I tried doing clippers yesterday. They didn't go well. Around 20% of the time, my foot touched the bag, but it either could not hit it at all, or it hit it in a highly X direction, as opposed to Yish. I any case, I can't twist my ankles in order to make a flat clipper even with force><.
Advice?
Thanks. ^ ^
Decided to start with legovers since I don't know what a mirage is, though I probably did one or two by accident.
Legovers are starting to go well actually. Relatively. Practicing them is particularly physically hard for a few reasons. First, the knees take a damn lot of work. Think I pulled something in my right leg slightly. Secondly, reaching down for the bag every 5 seconds is incredibly annoying and exhausting after 10 minutes. Third, is it just me, or am I having so much difficulty with the legovers because my legs are long? Am around 185-188 cm height. Need something to blame for my ineptitude.
Anyway, in the last half an hour with approx 200 attempts at legover, I actually did one stably. On left foot. Around 30-40% of attempts, my toes actually touched the bag, but either flung the bag away or couldn't hold it.
Oh, and I am doing them barefoot. For the reason that I find that doing any delay other than the inside is much easier than in shoe.
Hmm. Also, I tried doing clippers yesterday. They didn't go well. Around 20% of the time, my foot touched the bag, but it either could not hit it at all, or it hit it in a highly X direction, as opposed to Yish. I any case, I can't twist my ankles in order to make a flat clipper even with force><.
Advice?
Thanks. ^ ^
Mikhail Bukhonko
Clippers are tough man. What did it for me was just standing in clipper position for a while, maybe squating down and standing back up (all still in clipper position) just working on the balance. Main thing though is to go at them slowly. Have your clipper foot out and ready to catch bag and drop the bag from as close to your foot as you need it to be. It's the same as a toe stall: you need to cusion it. But when your first learning clippers it's good to simply drop the bag from very, very close to you clipper foot. Gradually make the distance between your foot and your hand greater until your setting from about waist high. Remeber to practise on BOTH SIDES. I had alot of trouble with my flipside clippers because I liked succes, so I only stuck to my strongside clippers. DON'T DO THIS!! Both sidedness is very important.
All the NYC guys will be able to teach you this in no time. If you do wind up going to the Rochester jam, wich you SHOULD (I'd give anything to be able to be able to go
) I swear you'll come back with extensive knowledge of clippers.
Seriously though, Lavers will rocket your progress by so much that you wouldn't believe me if I told you. Barefoot's cool, but most footbaggers mark the start of thier career in serious freestyle on when they got lavers. That's how much of a difference they make... They're amazing.
Keep it real
All the NYC guys will be able to teach you this in no time. If you do wind up going to the Rochester jam, wich you SHOULD (I'd give anything to be able to be able to go
) I swear you'll come back with extensive knowledge of clippers. Seriously though, Lavers will rocket your progress by so much that you wouldn't believe me if I told you. Barefoot's cool, but most footbaggers mark the start of thier career in serious freestyle on when they got lavers. That's how much of a difference they make... They're amazing.
Keep it real
Ben Roscoe
Am happy that am making progress.
Finally programmed in the movements for the legovers into my muscles yesterday, so barefoot, I can do them 30% of the time. Pretty damned good methinks.
Same with ATWs on right foot. I have the movements...just need to learn how to get the bag into the position I need it in.
Can't do any ATWs using left foot since that is my weak foot and I am having a really hard time throwing the bag straight up as opposed to some direction I don't want it to go in...
Most importantly though, now that I can actually do a trick or two, I've tried doing them in my usual outfit and found that baggy pants generally hinder my performance. Though they keep me warm><. I could still do tricks in them, but found it hard to make the movements. When I put on my shoes, I found it INCREDIBLY hard to do anything. Even the toe stall that I can do anytime anywhere barefooted. Tried doing the Legovers and ATW. Impossible. I can finally feel how fething heavy they are. And I thought they were always light.
Yeah, those Lavers or other shoes will be gotten soon. Around a month or so while I have to do other things...But they are a must, I understand now. So are shorts><.
Going to try those clippers soon.
Finally programmed in the movements for the legovers into my muscles yesterday, so barefoot, I can do them 30% of the time. Pretty damned good methinks.
Same with ATWs on right foot. I have the movements...just need to learn how to get the bag into the position I need it in.
Can't do any ATWs using left foot since that is my weak foot and I am having a really hard time throwing the bag straight up as opposed to some direction I don't want it to go in...
Most importantly though, now that I can actually do a trick or two, I've tried doing them in my usual outfit and found that baggy pants generally hinder my performance. Though they keep me warm><. I could still do tricks in them, but found it hard to make the movements. When I put on my shoes, I found it INCREDIBLY hard to do anything. Even the toe stall that I can do anytime anywhere barefooted. Tried doing the Legovers and ATW. Impossible. I can finally feel how fething heavy they are. And I thought they were always light.
Yeah, those Lavers or other shoes will be gotten soon. Around a month or so while I have to do other things...But they are a must, I understand now. So are shorts><.
Going to try those clippers soon.
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hehe hate em if you want (for now) but you will definitely wind up in short shorts if you stick with it and want to get anywhere.
Baggy pants are retarded for playing footbag in.
For ATW, remember that it is three components... set>dex>delay, really try to break it up into those parts to prevent hucking the bag away on the set.
Baggy pants are retarded for playing footbag in.
For ATW, remember that it is three components... set>dex>delay, really try to break it up into those parts to prevent hucking the bag away on the set.
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Happy (standard) new year to all.
Doing a few new things now.
Clippers are NOT working. I need to see someone do them in person...to analyze position of legs and stuff. Not only do I have the inability to keep balance when attempting to put foot behind other foot to atempt clipper, but I have limited mobility with stupid joints and more pain and uselessage. Hmm. Wonder how people who can tilt their feet like up to 45 degrees away from flat clipper stall do them...Are there even such people or is it a process over years where eventually bones and joints just reform into different shape?
Anyway. Had an interesting new year. Got tipsy-drunk for first time. Vision sucked. However, what is interesting is while I could hardly coordinate with my hands, I was doing things I didn't know I could do with my feet while in strange drunkenness. Managed to do legover in clunky shoes. Managed to do 7 consecutive opposite legovers without shoes. Basically, I didn't even have to see the bag to do stuff. Amazing bag-awareness. Still think drunkenness sucks.
Back to stuff I can request help/info on. Now that I know what a mirage is...
How in hell does one just leap over the bag and manage to get their legoverish foot to get back on the ground in time for the other foot the get ready to cushion the bag into a delay? It's unrealistic...
Any optimal height to leap over the bag? Any way I can sort of practice bits and pieces of this?
In relation to mirage, so far, I've been able to leap over the bag and touch the bag with the other foot on the way down once. Out of god knows how many attempts...
I'm just guessing that the mirage is the next thing to work on, since I have the idea of how to do ATW/legovers by now. At different heights and positions by now, that is...
Also, I am trying to do I think it's called the pendulum...toe stall > set it from back and make it go over head and back in front...Anything that can be done with that, since I suck at dexes so far and my shoes, as of now, are clearly not optimal for footbag.
Anyway, everyone, enjoy new year. ^_^
Doing a few new things now.
Clippers are NOT working. I need to see someone do them in person...to analyze position of legs and stuff. Not only do I have the inability to keep balance when attempting to put foot behind other foot to atempt clipper, but I have limited mobility with stupid joints and more pain and uselessage. Hmm. Wonder how people who can tilt their feet like up to 45 degrees away from flat clipper stall do them...Are there even such people or is it a process over years where eventually bones and joints just reform into different shape?
Anyway. Had an interesting new year. Got tipsy-drunk for first time. Vision sucked. However, what is interesting is while I could hardly coordinate with my hands, I was doing things I didn't know I could do with my feet while in strange drunkenness. Managed to do legover in clunky shoes. Managed to do 7 consecutive opposite legovers without shoes. Basically, I didn't even have to see the bag to do stuff. Amazing bag-awareness. Still think drunkenness sucks.
Back to stuff I can request help/info on. Now that I know what a mirage is...
How in hell does one just leap over the bag and manage to get their legoverish foot to get back on the ground in time for the other foot the get ready to cushion the bag into a delay? It's unrealistic...
Any optimal height to leap over the bag? Any way I can sort of practice bits and pieces of this?
In relation to mirage, so far, I've been able to leap over the bag and touch the bag with the other foot on the way down once. Out of god knows how many attempts...
I'm just guessing that the mirage is the next thing to work on, since I have the idea of how to do ATW/legovers by now. At different heights and positions by now, that is...
Also, I am trying to do I think it's called the pendulum...toe stall > set it from back and make it go over head and back in front...Anything that can be done with that, since I suck at dexes so far and my shoes, as of now, are clearly not optimal for footbag.
Anyway, everyone, enjoy new year. ^_^
Mikhail Bukhonko