Wire Taps

Splint · Post by **Splint** » 29 Jan 2006 02:51

In case anyone hasn't read Article II or the Fourth Amendment to the US Constitution I thought I'd post them. Bush Claims that one gives him the power to infringe upon the other. I have read these over and over and I'm not seeing it. I think Impeachment would be a proper course of action.

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Article II

Section 1. The executive power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his office during the term of four years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same term, be elected, as follows:

Each state shall appoint, in such manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a number of electors, equal to the whole number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or person holding an office of trust or profit under the United States, shall be appointed an elector.

The electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for two persons, of whom one at least shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves. And they shall make a list of all the persons voted for, and of the number of votes for each; which list they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates, and the votes shall then be counted. The person having the greatest number of votes shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such majority, and have an equal number of votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately choose by ballot one of them for President; and if no person have a majority, then from the five highest on the list the said House shall in like manner choose the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by States, the representation from each state having one vote; A quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. In every case, after the choice of the President, the person having the greatest number of votes of the electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal votes, the Senate shall choose from them by ballot the Vice President.

The Congress may determine the time of choosing the electors, and the day on which they shall give their votes; which day shall be the same throughout the United States.

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.

In case of the removal of the President from office, or of his death, resignation, or inability to discharge the powers and duties of the said office, the same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by law provide for the case of removal, death, resignation or inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what officer shall then act as President, and such officer shall act accordingly, until the disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.

The President shall, at stated times, receive for his services, a compensation, which shall neither be increased nor diminished during the period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that period any other emolument from the United States, or any of them.

Before he enter on the execution of his office, he shall take the following oath or affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Section 2. The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States; he may require the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices, and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.

He shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall appoint ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, judges of the Supreme Court, and all other officers of the United States, whose appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by law: but the Congress may by law vest the appointment of such inferior officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the courts of law, or in the heads of departments.

The President shall have power to fill up all vacancies that may happen during the recess of the Senate, by granting commissions which shall expire at the end of their next session.

Section 3. He shall from time to time give to the Congress information of the state of the union, and recommend to their consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in case of disagreement between them, with respect to the time of adjournment, he may adjourn them to such time as he shall think proper; he shall receive ambassadors and other public ministers; he shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed, and shall commission all the officers of the United States.

Section 4. The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.

shredzilla · Post by **shredzilla** » 29 Jan 2006 08:47

Welcome to America Brad. I'm sorry to say this, but only a civil war would have any affect on George Bush's abuse of power.

dp · Post by dp » 29 Jan 2006 09:23

Wait, you guys don't like Bush? He won a war in a matter of months, Mission Accomplished!! Also, his tax cuts for the wealthy are helping our economy so much. And some say he's dumb, come on, he went to Yale, and it wasn't just cuz his Daddy was a powerful politician. So I've proved he a great guy and a great governor, but that's not all! He was also a great governor. "Dear Bergoe Bush, You are the best governor ever, deserved of great respect!" That right there was penned by the Harriet Miers, so we know its true! I hope you guys now see the light. Go Bush! Four more years!

C-Fan · Post by **C-Fan** » 29 Jan 2006 10:14

You forgot to mention that he also went to Harvard Business school. And he said we were going to put men on Mars... that lasted about a day

sampotter · Post by **sampotter** » 29 Jan 2006 11:03

WIRE TAP

http://www.ambrosiasw.com/utilities/wiretap/

dp · Post by dp » 29 Jan 2006 12:38

Oh, did Bush go to Harvard, or Yale, well, either one, he's still fantastic!

shredzilla · Post by **shredzilla** » 29 Jan 2006 13:55

shredzilla wrote:Welcome to America Brad. I'm sorry to say this, but only a civil war would have any effect on George Bush's abuse of power.

Splint · Post by **Splint** » 29 Jan 2006 22:15

Yeah, I pretty much posted those bits because Bush says over and over that Article II gives him the power to spy on the American people. His opponents say it doesn't, and most people tend to believe one side or the other without actually reading Article II or Amendment IV.

shredzilla · Post by **shredzilla** » 30 Jan 2006 01:51

Yeah the travesty is there is nothing anyone can do about it. Think about it man. If he can get away with that blatent of a lie without any remorse, how scary is that.

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 30 Jan 2006 01:57

Yeah I saw a documentary last night about the war on terror in the US and basically think that if the propaganda that the terrorists want to "destroy our freedom" was correct (which it almost certainly isn't) then they are definitely winning fairly easily in the US. - Listening to FBI agents proudly saying how they managed to get around US law by arresting people with no evidence in foreign countries made me feel sick. The US disregard for human rights and international law is a much greater threat to international security than terrorism is.

zeroman13 · Post by **zeroman13** » 30 Jan 2006 07:19

Bush is so fuckin butt blind, hey cant see his hand in fornt of his face. we need to get a person in the white house that actually has a sense of reality. Bush is always of in his own "La La Land" all the damn time

Splint · Post by **Splint** » 31 Jan 2006 02:16

Here's what I don't get.

President Clinton went through a huge lawsuit and impeachment process for lying when he told the American Public, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman."

Today I listened to a portion of a speech Bush gave in Buffalo, NY just before the 2004 election inwhich he flat out said that "Wire Taps require a court order, If a Wire Tap is in place it is only because a court order has been issued first. Nothing has changed. This administration values the Constitution of the United States."

I mean, this is a proof positive bold faced lie that goes directly against his oath of office. WTF??? I can't believe no one is doing anything about an issue that affects every single citizen of the United States while Clinton's deal affected maybe 6 people.

shredzilla · Post by **shredzilla** » 31 Jan 2006 07:38

shredzilla wrote:
shredzilla wrote:Welcome to America Brad. I'm sorry to say this, but only a civil war would have any effect on George Bush's abuse of power.

Seriously, the government controls the media in case you were unaware. People protest, what more can you do? You think of something. Dude, Senators know what's going on...They 'gripe' about it, but do they ever do anything? The government controls them as well.

In the Declaration of Independence it says,

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refuted his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

That's the document our country was founded on. Even before the Constitution was written. It's the right and duty of the US citizens to overthrow the government should it acquire too much power, and start completely ignoring constitutional law.

Kyle Hewitt · Post by **Kyle Hewitt** » 31 Jan 2006 20:07

shredzilla wrote: That's the document our country was founded on. Even before the Constitution was written. It's the right and duty of the US citizens to overthrow the government should it acquire too much power, and start completely ignoring constitutional law.

My uncle said the same thing o.O