I want to be a boondock saint

tuomoruutufan · Post by **tuomoruutufan** » 08 Feb 2006 19:20

The problem im trying to point out is YOUR religion has been a hiding ground for these preists. people have trusted these fucking sickos on the pure solem fact that they are servants of god.

My point is your so caught up in what you believe is the end all of life and its all mighty purpose that 1000s of children have been abused and its not until now we are finally going after these fuckers

Theirs some things so much more important than religion and faith like protecting your children by not trusting somebody you dont know very well. Your fucking religion has put these preists on such a high pedestal in such a trusting position with children that they have had a do what you want to my children get out of free jail card for 100s of years maybe even longer

This is what happens when people become retardedly obsessed with religion they loose thier common sense. Common sense would be to teach your children that religion and faith is a choice and an option. It has nothing to do with your actions its just something that helps keep you motivated through life. Church is just a place where people share the same ideas together, its not infalible laws of nature of where we go when we die.

No matter what we believe we all share the same fate, decomposure (CP)

and i dont give a fuck what my children believe they will never step foot in a church or be around any preist without myself or a trustable guardian. This should go with all strangers within possibility.

im not asking anybody to stop believing, im asking you to wake the fuck up and realize people can believe in whatever they want and it wont change anything about their moral fibers and judgement, be open minded use religion for what its worth and show some respect to people who may have other faiths or beliefs, If your god sends me to hell cause i used the free will he created within us to explore other possibilities and other faiths for the sake self growth and strenght then fuck your god im gonna sneak out of hell crash one of his dinner parties and shit on the coats

brycimus · Post by **brycimus** » 08 Feb 2006 19:42

you make it sound like my religion is the ONLY place that this shit has been happening, and that it only happens in religion - wake up and realize that anyone could be a petaphile or anything horrible like that (ex: a murderer, vandal, rapist) one of your best friends could be a petaphile and you might not even know it (just making a point, not referring to your actual friends)

your making my religion sound bad

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 08 Feb 2006 20:43

I think the point is that people in positions of power - in this case priests - have higher expectations of morality on them than other people. Particularly in the case of people who preach standards of morality and ethics it is expected that they lead by example and it is probably deemed by society to be a worse act if they commit acts against what they preach - especially acts against the people under their power - than say a sales assistant commiting the same acts.

tuomoruutufan · Post by **tuomoruutufan** » 09 Feb 2006 00:21

Jeremy wrote:I think the point is that people in positions of power - in this case priests - have higher expectations of morality on them than other people. Particularly in the case of people who preach standards of morality and ethics it is expected that they lead by example and it is probably deemed by society to be a worse act if they commit acts against what they preach - especially acts against the people under their power - than say a sales assistant commiting the same acts.

JEREMY YOU TOOK THE WORDS RIGHT OUT OF MY MOUTH HAJULAH FUCKING UHLA

The moronic religious fucktards gave these preists the power to molest their children. and it proves my point of religion doesnt mean a god dam thing, you can believe in god and heave and hell all you want but you still end up being whatever imperfect sick fucking pervert you were created to be, its time to evolve into a culture that is more open minded about the endless possiblilities of life and religion and take the power away from the churches. Think of it as the way macintosh wont give up and let microsoft rule the computer world, all of us non god believers are the ipods of technology, you hate our company but are product is so dam good you give in eventually.

lol i like analogy's

professor · Post by **professor** » 09 Feb 2006 10:14

So, what's your product?

tuomoruutufan · Post by **tuomoruutufan** » 09 Feb 2006 15:37

The product is being open minded to the fact that religion and fate is just an idea and a concept not a fact of life, science is fact, mother nature is fact.

Chuck plahanuik puts a good explanation of it that only 3 things in life are real: life, death, and insticts. everything else is just a symbol or a tool to make one of those 3 things easier.

keep your faith and your beliefs they are wonderfull things if they make you a happy positive being, but dont get swooped up in church lore and or the idea that your religion is the end all purpose of life and everything and everybody else is wrong. God only exists cause you believe it does, hell only exists cause you think it does, heaven only exists cause you think it does. Theres nothing wrong with believing in these concepts exist as long as you understand that they are not a part of nature or life they are just ideas that make you sleep more soundly nothing more.

Churchs will never share these opinions or ever be open minded to other possibilities or the idea that religion should be explored at an older wiser age instead of it being force fed into ever new born baby starting with giving a 3 month old baby a shwirly in holy water to cast away the "demons" church and religion have the same business slogan as tobacco companies "Get them while they are young" church is a business if nobody goes they dont have a business so enjoy church for what it is but dont blindly eat up every word these people say cause they are just as self centered and laddened with alterior motives as anyone else that relies on mass population support.

Right now in chicago the preist i mentioned was acused of molestation years ago and the church swept the whole thing under the rug and kept the lid shut on the whole thing and it gave him a year and a half to allegedly molest 3 more boys in that time frame.

QOUTE: "we recieved allegations over a year ago from 2 seperate children/parents they had no concrete evidence so we assigned someone to watch the accused preist" ~a chicago cardinal said this~

professor · Post by **professor** » 09 Feb 2006 18:05

keep your faith and your beliefs they are wonderfull things if they make you a happy positive being, but dont get swooped up in church lore and or the idea that your religion is the end all purpose of life and everything and everybody else is wrong. God only exists cause you believe it does, hell only exists cause you think it does, heaven only exists cause you think it does. Theres nothing wrong with believing in these concepts exist as long as you understand that they are not a part of nature or life they are just ideas that make you sleep more soundly nothing more.

I don't think you know what the word believe means. Beleif does not = think. Belief = know. I know God exists, I don't "think" he does.

Religion is not the purpose of life, God is the purpose and reason for living.

You are right on one thing though, God is not a part of life, he is life.

tuomoruutufan · Post by **tuomoruutufan** » 09 Feb 2006 18:46

if god is your life fine thats your decision, i personally think thats a pretty fucked up perspective considering your giving credit to something thats just an idea instead of giving the credit to mother nature or giving credit to the people who created you your parents.

i personally think there is so many reall things in this world to love and live for besides some concept that mankind created.

yes we created god, we created the symbol g and o and d we created the speach and profound thought to think about this stuff, everything we have besides our insticts to survive is something we created, we create our own life we create our inteligence and we create god. So in my opinion its more important to keep creating and stop following. Lets create a new religion, lets create a new purpose of life, lets evolve into something more. Lets start teaching religion at the age of 18 instead of the age 5 so that people have an honest and free mind to chose to beleive what they want.

why be so closed minded why obsessively beleive and credit something that has no concrete evidence of existence, we should be past this, theres a reason why the constitution seperates church and state, theres a reaon why theres 1000s of different beliefs religions and gods, because they are just ideas they are not ways of life.

Whatever im gonna burn in hell for all eternity for using the free will "your god" created in me, for being open minded and researching more options and possibilities, for being a successfull positive loving human being without any beliefe in a higher presence or after life.

If i was god i would be pissed that so many people waste away their free will and just accept what their parents and media have cramed down are throughts for 100s of years

think about growing up and hearing all the sports atheletes movie stars political figures thank god for everything, think about how christmas is used to bribe kids into believing in santa clause who coincidently is alot like religion and god if you think about, its just presented in a way a kid can understand, First you have to believe in santa clause then you have to be good to get presents and if your bad you get coal (cough cough heaven and hell) think about writing to santa clause your xmas gift lists can be related to praying.

my question about faith and religion is how many people can honestly say they have genuinely chosen their own faith or how many people are just brainwashed by their family media and santa clause to believe that you were such a good student the santa clause flew to your house and gave you presents and then your gonna be such a great god believing christian that your gonna live in eternal bliss in heaven while all the bad people burn for eternity

get some common sense and really start questioning your faith cause alot of it is fucking bullshit and i wish i could naive and narrow minded enough to think this shit is true but i dont know i fell for santa clause im not gonna fall for this other shit.

the only reason why religion and god exist is because we need it to exist, this is why animals have never ever shown any signs of acknowledging any higher being or religion. out of all the species that exist on the planet were the only ones that have a detachted fear of death, no natural predator, and non survival thought proccesses and its a coincidence were the only ones believing in any of this mumbo jumbo.

my apologies this is a fucking can of worms and some of you are so god dam close minded to any logical thought that this always turns into a pointless debate and a waste of time, its a shame i really feel bad for those of you who are so brain washed and so scared to question your fate its a waste of free will, and its sad to see mother nature get second seated to some made up god in the skys.

brycimus · Post by **brycimus** » 09 Feb 2006 20:01

first of all, animals (other than humans) don't have a god or believe in one or a religion because they're not smart enough to, we're the only ones that actually have that thought process to.

second of all, how can you sit there and not believe in any kind of god. it's fucking ridiculous - i could see if you were an agnostic and just chose not to follow religions, but you believed in a higher power, but you don't even do that.

the vast universe (trillions of lightyears wide/long or even longer or who knows what it is out of our range of view) came out of nowhere, and all of the planets formed out of rocks and gas, and then after about 5 billion years (after volcaninc eruptions, formation of the earth, etc.) small lifeforms began to grow in the ocean on a planet (that will later be known as earth) and then after more millions of years, these species evolved into amphibians, which evolved into reptiles which evolved into mammals, and then you get what you see today........oh by the way all those billions of years of formation and evolution, happened by itself - BY CHANCE, with no help from a higher being --- BULLSHIT!

how the fuck could any of that have happened without god - it's makes no fucking sense at all - and all atheists need to rethink and use their brain

Mother Nature = GOD

tuomoruutufan · Post by **tuomoruutufan** » 09 Feb 2006 20:19

yeah its a possibility that a god created us but theres many other possibilities too.

I wont deny any possibility, maybe im completely wrong and there is a heaven and hell.

or maybe its just one higher power, what you would call a "god" and all the organized religions are a bunch bs that we created but then that leads to another stupid question where did god come from.

maybe its ala

maybe the its the way the indians believed in mulitple gods

many the roman greek mythogical god of thunder earth ocean, maybe they had it right

maybe its the egyptians

maybe this is why i dont choose one cause there is no fucking awnser to this question and is the reason why all this is bullshit, its a fucking choice a god dam opinion, its your opinion and your choice and it has nothing to do with heaven or hell or good or evil or anything its all bunch of unawnsered questions that will never be awnsered.

I believe in endless possibilities and what i see with my very own eyes what my insticts tell me to do everyday.

I believe in life, survival, and death. cause those things are real and no matter what you believe in thats what we live with in the flesh everyday. everything esle is a matter of opinion.

professor · Post by **professor** » 09 Feb 2006 23:00

why be so closed minded why obsessively beleive and credit something that has no concrete evidence of existence

Do you love anyone in your life? I'm sure you probably do. Ok, well then I have one request. Prove it. You can't tell me, "I do nice things for them" or "I tell them I love them", as proof because that still doesn't prove that you love that person.

You can't prove it, but your "instincts" (as you say) tell you that you love that person and nobody can tell you otherwise. So there are things in life that can't be explained, but that doesn't mean they aren't real or true.

I believe in endless possibilities and what i see with my very own eyes what my insticts tell me to do everyday.

Have you seen the Matrix??? Seeing is only electrical signals sent to the brain.

I believe in life, survival, and death. cause those things are real and no matter what you believe in thats what we live with in the flesh everyday. everything esle is a matter of opinion.

Are they real? Is this just a dream? Who knows. You can't prove anything really then can you?

I personally think believing in God is just as valid of a belief as anything. Even believing you are sitting at your computer typing.

brycimus · Post by **brycimus** » 10 Feb 2006 04:48

word professor - you took the words out of my mouth

the only solution i see here is a quote from "Ron Burgandy"

Agree to disagree

dp · Post by dp » 10 Feb 2006 06:57

God was made to explain the unexplained. There've been so many religions, how come the older ones aren't followed anymore? The Eygptians I'm sure were positive that they're religion was right, the Romans were sure their's was right, Islamics are sure they're right, Christians are sure they're all right, Jews are sure they're all right. They can't all be right.

I'm sure you believe in the bible, or a good deal of the bible. How do you know the guys who wrote it weren't totally bat-shit-out-of-there-minds loco! Religion in much of Europe after the Dark Ages was basically a way for the Pope to control everything.

Also, think of all the things the Catholic Church, for example, stopped. All the science. Copernicus was afraid to publish his findings until he was on his deathbed. Galileo was put under house arrest much of his life. Even in ancient greece Socrates was put to death for "interfering with the religion of the city"

The Church has slowly accepted things such as:

The Earth isn't the center of the universe
The Earth and other planets all rotate around the sun
The Earth isn't flat
etc.

How long will it be until they're proven there is no God, no heaven, no hell, no anything. [/i]

professor · Post by **professor** » 10 Feb 2006 10:25

I'm sure you believe in the bible, or a good deal of the bible. How do you know the guys who wrote it weren't totally bat-shit-out-of-there-minds loco!

Well, historians use the Bible all the time as a historical document because it has proven historical events in it. So obviously those people writing weren't out of their minds.

Also, think of all the things the Catholic Church, for example, stopped.

I don't understand how what the Catholic church did 300 - 500 years ago has anything to do with believing in God or the Bible.

People are always equating believing in God as a religion. God is not a religion. So whatever you believe about religions or whatever religions have done in the past have no relevance to believing that God exists.

I agree religion has been a horrible part of the worlds history, but it has also been a good part as well. When the catholic church basically ran the whole show for years and then Martin Luther came along and changed it all, it gave hope to those who were under oppression by the church. It moved people to make themselves literate so they could read the Bible for themselves. Many of us here are able to read and write because of religion.

So, religion has played a big part in history, good and bad. But that's just it, it's history and it has nothing to do with believing in God now and it has nothing to do with who God is.

dp · Post by dp » 10 Feb 2006 11:24

I see what you're saying, and I guess what I can't stand is the church, not the idea of a higher being. I know that there is no God, and you know that there is, I'll leave it at that.

tuomoruutufan · Post by **tuomoruutufan** » 16 Feb 2006 09:52

Heres a fact i just heard on the news

Less than 2% of all alleged and convicted preists for sexual abuse has served prison time.

Seperate church and state my fucking balls, These people are being protected by their religion they are getting away with these otrocities cause of all the morons brain washed by this bullshit religion, who cares what their religious status is they should be tried and treated like any other sick sexaul criminal, In my mind their is not a bit of difference between a molesting preist and a guy picking up kids near a school with candy or the old "im a freind of your parents let me give you a ride" TELL ME why is that guy in jail getting the ass rapings he deserves and the preist keeps his job and gets to keep didling little kids?

Police may be gathering evidence to go after the cardinal for multiple counts of conspiracy and puposely witholding evidence of mulitple criminal sexual acts.