Double Trouble

Jorden · Post by **Jorden** » 16 Feb 2006 21:11

Clown Face
http://v.footbag.org/media/203/ClownFace.wmv

Double Helix Swirl
http://v.footbag.org/media/203/Helix-stein.wmv

Enjoy!

Samurai · Post by **Samurai** » 16 Feb 2006 21:20

good job

i like your sig too!

Ian Brill · Post by **Ian Brill** » 16 Feb 2006 21:35

They look clean enough over here.

shredzilla · Post by **shredzilla** » 16 Feb 2006 23:23

Haha that ROARRR at the end of Clown Face slo mo is classic.

setman · Post by **setman** » 16 Feb 2006 23:26

Helix-stein was definitely the

Clown Face was slurry in my opinion

Martin Sládek · Post by **Martin Sládek** » 16 Feb 2006 23:30

It looks awesome Jorden. I´ve seen Clown face but I´ve never seen the second one before. Thanks.
Try to hit it cleaner and it will be BIG.

Congratulations!!

qphox · Post by **qphox** » 16 Feb 2006 23:45

I think the Clown Face is fine. Nothing wrong at all. I'm not sure what is considered slurry... :/

About the Double-Helixswirl...I'm assuming people think the symp rev whirl is the, but in my opinion, it's very difficult to make a judgement either way based upon the camera angle.

I'm going to give Jorden the benefit of the doubt on this one.

Come on people, even if you disagree with me, at least give him props for the "Real" ripstein...none of this swirling ss swirl crap.

Muffinman · Post by **Muffinman** » 17 Feb 2006 00:06

First off, I loved the tricks, and thanks so much for sharing, Jorden! I thought the Symp reverse whirling ripstein was great!

I see what people mean about the clownface. I mean, my first reaction is that holy crap you're insane for hitting that, and the'ing doesn't bother me very much. It's not the, though (the dex is there), it's just 'sloppy'. There's too much spin for it to be a 'clean' eggbeater, just like symp mirage or DLO are 'sloppy' if done with a little of spin (if you end up moving in circles doing the trick repeatedly). It's your flip eggbeater, though, isn't it? Isn't it your flip furious too?? Anyway -- the trick is sick and the execution doesn't take anything away for me. How many people have hit clownface? Sunil and Vasek?

professor · Post by **professor** » 17 Feb 2006 00:20

Don't know what you guys are talking about??? You can't tell if the DHS was the. There's no way to tell by the angle.

Ya, he did turn on the clownface, but his dexes were there and it looked controlled.

Massive tricks man. PROPS!

Not-so-ripped Warrior · Post by **Not-so-ripped Warrior** » 17 Feb 2006 00:21

Props Jorden!

Erik, I'm almost positive that was Jorden's strong eggbeater.

I thought clownface looked fine. It was really funny to see you scream like that 'cause when you hit crazy stuff in your vids you're usually just like "yeah whatever."

Helix-stein looked thin to me. Still a nice look into the insanity that is your world. Thanx for posting.

Samurai · Post by **Samurai** » 17 Feb 2006 00:35

omg i have the best rule

I PROPOSE

u shouldnt be allowed to call THE on the first page of any thread! lol!!

i wont do it ever again!

Uranos · Post by **Uranos** » 17 Feb 2006 00:44

Fucking sick tricks...props

FootbagGuru · Post by **FootbagGuru** » 17 Feb 2006 04:43

OMFG Jorden!!! You are psycho. wow....kickass tricks holy fuck props dude

max · Post by **max** » 17 Feb 2006 04:46

Props Jorden. Killer tricks.

It looks like you have a "mid-time" ripstein. Have you played with any far or gyro or symp whirling ripstein variations?

ScvCanFly · Post by **ScvCanFly** » 17 Feb 2006 04:50

ROOOOOOOOARRRRRRRRRRR!!!

P R O P S

Asmus · Post by **Asmus** » 17 Feb 2006 05:21

When you said I had to wait to see it i knew it was sick!
But that was much more sick than I expected! WOAH!
PROPS!

HooD · Post by **HooD** » 17 Feb 2006 08:29

PROPS !!! I watched both, and they were definitely superb tricks !! If anything on the stein just a tad thin, TAD, but all the dexes were there, it was good !!! SO GOOD ! PROPS !

Jdigges · Post by **Jdigges** » 17 Feb 2006 10:26

cool tricks man. i thought the double helix was clean. both the swirls were definitley there, and ithink the symp rev. whirl was there.

mc · Post by mc » 17 Feb 2006 10:36

phatphatphat, jorden. can't wait to see in real life... were you thinking "frankenstein" from clipper when you did symp rev whirling ripstein?

Outsider · Post by **Outsider** » 17 Feb 2006 11:52

Nice Helix-stein, Jorden. Pretty sick.

I haven't watched the Clownface yet. I'm at work.

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For the last year or so I've been watching everybodys' Ripsteins especially closely. I happen to consider my own standards of what is clean and what is not a little higher than the average, especially with regards to swirling dexes. I've seen lots of Thin and The ripsteins, more often than I've seen clean. I could usually tell, but it was sometimes difficult or complicated to put into words when a ripstein was clean or the. Complicating the matter, as always, is the problem with camera angels. Ripstein as seen from the side can be particularly hard to judge, since its hard to determine depth when looking at them from the side (depth as in how high up on the foot/ankle is the bag while the foot circles it). I finally began to see clearly certain indicators that seemed to be very closely corelated with swirl/ripstein cleanliness:
In my opinion, the best indicator of cleanness, and the ideal way that ripsteins should be done in order to be clean, is to keep your foot parallel to the ground while circling the bag, just as it is parallel to the ground when you do a clipper stall. When doing a swirl or double swirl this way, the bag is obviously above the foot when you start the move (one could hardly say that the bag is not clearly above the foot when doing a clipper stall). The bag should then pass in front of the laces of the shoe or the ankle (the higher-up on the leg the better, obviously, so ankle is better than upper laces, upper laces are better than lower laces, and lower laces are better than toes), pass underneath the outside surface of the foot, pass behind the heel or ankle, and then again above the inside surface (and if its a double swirl rather than a single then of course the bag must go again in front of the laces, under the outside, behind the heel, and once more over the inside).
The most common variation away from ideal form that I have observed is for someone to turn their ankle when doing the dex such that their foot is perpendicular to the ground at some point in the dex (generally at peak of the dex) and their sole is facing upwards and thus parallel to the ground. A swirl or double is not necessarily the at that point, but one is wandering into more dangerous territory. The reason is because when you turn your sole up at the peak of the dex, you might be turning your foot inward towards your body, in essence shortening the length of your leg. Turn your foot inward towards the body enough and the bag is now further away from your body than your foot is; the dex can't be clean at that point.
At this point (if you've turned your sole upwards) the difference between "clean" and "the" usually comes down to which way your toe is pointing.
If the toe of the swirling foot is pointed in the direction of the dex (toe and heel of the foot are aligned in the direction of travel of the dexing foot), your ripstein is probably "the". At the peak of the dex, your sole pointing upward and your toe pointing forward, your foot is no longer under, over, in front of, or beneath the bag. Its next to the bag. Near the bag, but not crossing the plane of travel of the bag. The.
If you're pointing your toe out, away from your body and perpendicular to the direction of travel of the dex, there is a much better likelihood that the dex is still clean. At the peak of your dex the bag is still underneath your foot (how much of your foot can vary: is the bag closer to your toe or to your ankle?), just after the peak its still below the bag. Your heel may be closer to your body than the bag, but your toe at least is still farther from you than the bag is, thus your foot is still crossing the plane of travel of the bag.
Hmm, how to sum this all up? If your foot remains parallel to the ground (sole perpendicular to the floor) during a swirling dex, the dex is usually either entirely 'clean' or entirely 'the'. If your turn your sole up and your toes forward, your swirl dex is almost certainly 'the' at the peak of the dex. If you turn your sole up and point your toe out, your dex is likely okay but thin to some degree, depending on how close the bag is to your toe versus your ankle (very close to the ankle = so slightly thin as to barely be worth mentioning; very close to the toes = so thin as to barely be worth arguing that its "thin but not really the").

One of the benefits of looking for these particular markers is that it makes it easier to estimate the cleanness of swirl/ripstein when your angle of view is particularly unfavorable.
By my observation, Jorden's second swirl passed under his laces, right about in the middle of the foot, and thus clean. By my estimates, his form is better than average. Its the rest of you all that need to clean up your ripsteins.
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I'll watch the other vid after work, when I've got more time