How long do you shred?

Caleb · Post by **Caleb** » 19 Feb 2006 13:42

An interesting thought came to me today. I was kicking with two other guys. One an emerging guiltless player, one a genuine guiltless, and then I'm doing guilt/trip/fearless shred. We all exert a different amount of energy yet we all always get tired around the same time. Does this happen to everyone else? It always happens to me. I may be doing 10 contacts of shuffle in the middle of my strings while Jake is doing ducks and spins but we shred for the same duration.

Does this have something to do with how much time a person can do anarobic exercise? Or maybe just because we always play at that level so we're all pushing it no matter what we're doing? Most likely it's because when one person says "I'm tired." the vibe just gets crushed and everyone quits shortly after. But it ALWAYS happens. WHY!?!?!?!?! Any thoughts?

brycimus · Post by **brycimus** » 19 Feb 2006 13:47

maybe it's just cuz the tricks you have mastered are easier now and the tricks you're trying to get down or learning to do, are a lot more difficult in the beginning, even though you guys are at different add levels. and the moves you have mastered and they are learning, are equal in energy to the moves you are learning. know what i mean?

kinda confusing ----- or it might be something else

slapdash21 · Post by **slapdash21** » 19 Feb 2006 14:01

yeah, a 10 contact tiltless string used to leave me winded, but as Jorden's sig. says (roughly) remove unnecessary movements, practise [sic], drill the motion until it becomes natural, practise [sic] or something. also, i swear, footbagging builds huge calf muscles faster than almost any sport.

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 19 Feb 2006 16:24

I play predominately with players who are barely tiltless and find that they always get tired faster than I do. I think part of the reason is when I'm playing with them most of the time I play below my level and usually not even in footbag shorts which means I can't do many set moves (because the bag hits the bottoms of my board shorts) - mainly just downtime stuff - which I've found has improved that area of my game a lot but also means I'm usually not playing at my hardest while I think they are - so I think it's probably not the tricks you're hitting that make you tired - rather it's the effort you're putting in. I put in less effort so take longer to get tired.

edit: I also think I'm generally more relaxed when I'm playing than they are. I'm confident the bag will be going where I want it to so I'm only using the muscles I need to - I think new players are tenser and use more of their body to hit the same tricks.

sniikeri · Post by **sniikeri** » 20 Feb 2006 08:14

10-20 contacts of easy guiltless makes me tired. It's the technique, or the lack of it.

mc · Post by mc » 20 Feb 2006 08:44

my decent strings are usually between 20 and 30 seconds, and my best are double that. my sessions are usually between 60 and 90 minutes solo, 120-150 minutes with groups.

Bagira · Post by **Bagira** » 20 Feb 2006 19:40

Being a not-that-nearly-tiltless player so far, I do get tired pretty quickly.

It is definitely because of all the superfluous movements I make. Even though I managed to reduce the window of my legover/mirage recently, I think it's still fairly large and I don't have to be very accurate to land it. I'm usually not accurate enough, which leaves me having to pick up the bag from the floor, etc.

With a group/circle, I can go on for a nice 2-3 hours pretty well, though afterwards, I will be dead in 4ish hours or the next morning depending on when I fall asleep.

Solo, I rarely go over an hour because after bending over and picking up the bag so many times, it just wears you out. Plus in a circle, you have time to rest while someone else has the bag.

Ooh. Another thing I noticed is that breathing patterns are huge. So far, I can't quite work out any so I breathe randomly or hold my breath, which is the worst possible thing I can do. I assume it's like running. Eventually you learn how to breath correctly and rhythmically.

I'm not nearly tiltless yet. I've yet to land a clipper delay (cleanly) more than 10 times in the last 2 weeks, but my toe stuff is in pretty good shape and barefoot, I can do strings with a short length. You know, something like a legover BSOS with a ATW in between and a mirage at the end. That much I can do. I still feel that I can represent all those 'newbie' pre-tiltless players out there in time before exhausted/tired.