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Population Sustainability (and Peak Oil)

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JoFa wrote:Eventually it will become more and more widespread, and guess what? The fertility rate will plummet even lower. When I say smother, I really do mean that homosexuality could kill society.
Maybe that'd be a good thing...

There is quite a bit of evidence to suggest the that Earth is way above its sustainable carrying capacity. The sole reason that it is "able" to support the 6 billion or so people we have now is due to the abundance of cheap oil. Take a look at any of the graphs for world population over time. It is generally believed by people interested in this sort of thing that the Earth's sustainable carrying capacity is somewhere in the 2 - 2.5 billion range.

Modern agriculture is completely dependent on oil. In addition, things like transportation of food (your food travels hundreds of miles before it even reaches you), packaging, etc are all predicated on the fact that we have such an easy/efficient energy resource.

There is quite a body of evidence that suggests that this may not last a whole lot longer. (Search on Google for "Peak Oil".)
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When I opened this thread I thought I was still in the homosexuality thread.

But yeah, this is a very scary thought. Being LDS, my family keeps food storage for a year, and water to last 2-3 months, so we are prepared for a crisis, but millions aren't and it is scary to think so many would simply starve.

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They had a guest host for a local radio guy, the other week.

His topic was, "If you couldn't go to the store to buy food, or if there was none to be had, how long would you last, and what kinds of food do you have now to live off of?"

Pop Tarts, and candy bars is what the host said he had.



Some LDS people called up and said they had 2 or 3 years worth. the host said he was going over to their house when he got hungry. :)

So what's to stop people from stealing the LDS people's food? Because people know about their food stores.


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On the peak oil topic - it's not going to be a tumultuous crash where suddenly there's no food - its going to be like the depression. Suddenly a loaf of bread will cost ten dollars. Worldwide famines will ensue and world population will plummet in a matter of years.

Also, whether or not the production of oil peaks (i firmly believe that it has peaked already) what's more important is the net-energy peak - at what point does it cost more energy to get the oil out of the ground than we get back from that oil? all of the sweet light crude has been tapped already - what we find now is the hard to refine stuff.

The other day Vicente Fox (president of mexico) announced a ten billion barrel oil find. sounds pretty good eh? means that we have lots of oil left in the world eh? not quite - ten billion barrels is less than a four month supply at the rate the world uses oil, and oil discovered this year probably won't be refined for another eight to ten years.

I think there are a lot of upsides to peak oil. it will kill globalization once and for all anyway - it will no longer be possible to buy a t-shirt in america for five dollars that was made in china for five cents. It will no longer be possible to farm ten thousand acres with a single combine on a farm owned by a multinational company headquartered 1000 km away. We're going to have buy local produce, manufacture our goods locally, and pray to god that we haven't irreversibly set a global warming trend that will reverse ocean currents and flood huge swaths of arable lands the world over. Think that europe could survive if the atlantic ocean brought cold water down from the arctic instead of up from the tropics? I don't...
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HighDemonslayer wrote: So what's to stop people from stealing the LDS people's food? Because people know about their food stores.
Haha yeah this has been thought of. We have a small gun for protection, and have been thinking about getting a shotgun as well.
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Sure is. Each of our church buildings also has its own power generator and can be converted to a shelter. In Hurricane Katrina, there were some cases where whole neighborhoods were devistated, save the church buildings which somehow stood unharmed in the middle of wastelands, providing power (warmth and water) and shelter for victims.
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JoFa wrote:Eventually it will become more and more widespread, and guess what? The fertility rate will plummet even lower. When I say smother, I really do mean that homosexuality could kill society.
Maybe that'd be a good thing...

I think is would be a good idea to limit the birth of people to 2 per family
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How do you enforce something like that? Abortion? Sterilization?
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Enforcing it would be easy. First of all, upon marriage, a couple is given two tickets. People can give up their tickets if they don't want to have kids to others. When your child is registered as born, one ticket is destroyed. If you have more kids than alloted, your child is taken and given to someone else.

The only snag would be if people insisted on having too many, but you could make it so children above the limit (no ticket) are automatically sent to the army to be trained (or any government agency).
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The only snag
I think the are probably a few more snags than you've maybe thought of. You know that china already has this policy right? And that it's had horrendous consequences? For example, infaticide is way, way up, because people generally want male children, so female children are killed at birth.

And don't think that's just chinese people - in polls, if asked what they would choose if they could pick the gender of their children, the majority said "first a boy, then a girl, then a second boy". Cultural prejudice points overwhelmingly to a desire for male children.

Also, I like how if people don't obey your laws you'll kidnap their children and sell them into armed slavery. Welcome to Somalia bitch! That sure is christian of you!
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Oops, I see looking back that Jessie, you weren't the originator of that "two children per familly" so I shouldn't have snapped at you, you were just proposing how it could work (but you're still wrong on that count :wink: ).

In response to Kyle, who's actual idea it was - the rate of population growth in the West is already negative. I'm surprised nobody brought that up in the gay-thread. It's not homo's who are going to destroy humanity, it's birth control and the ability of women to choose how many kids they want. Generally they want less than the seven born to most women in the "3rd world"....

Anyway, I don't know where I'm going with this now except to say that if we stopped exploiting third world countries for cheap labour and actually helped them attain a syle of life comparable to ours (ignoring the fact that there aren't enough material resources in the world to make this happen) birthrates all over the world would plummet to replacement levels.
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Oh yeah man, I think those rules are terrible, I'm just conjecturing. Personally I want to have 3 children.

But back in the world of Jesse's conjecture, you wouldn't have to kill the children if you sent them to the government. Think about it this way - the government takes the risk of hiring normal people for secret jobs and trusts that they will not tell their friends/family. Well in this case, they would take no risk. "Drifter babies" would be taken to centers where they would be raised to possess essential knowledge. Those not smart enough would be sent to the army, while the others would get jobs in the FBI, CIA, etc.
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Oh yeah I forgot about the kidnapping part. Well according to the law, you would only own as many children as you had tickets for, so those children wouldn't even be your property! Now THAT'S evil!
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Yeah, children raised of, by, and for the government. lol

Don't worry about overpopulation.

Disease and war will take care of that. It always does.



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HighDemonslayer wrote:Yeah, children raised of, by, and for the government. lol

Don't worry about overpopulation.

Disease and war will take care of that. It always does.


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So true it hurts....once over-population and resource scarcity become to big of a problem, we'll start to kill each other. Thats why us peeps up here in Canada are fuckered. Tons of resources and no army.
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http://www.infowars.com/articles/life/p ... ercent.htm

Top Scientist Advocates Mass Culling 90% Of Human Population
Fellow professors and scientists applause and roar approval at elite's twisted and genocidal population control agenda

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet.com | April 3 2006

A top scientist gave a speech to the Texas Academy of Science last month in which he advocated the need to exterminate 90% of the population through the airborne ebola virus. Dr. Eric R. Pianka's chilling comments, and their enthusiastic reception again underscore the elite's agenda to enact horrifying measures of population control.

Pianka's speech was ordered to be kept off the record before it began as cameras were turned away and hundreds of students, scientists and professors sat in attendance.

Saying the public was not ready to hear the information presented, Pianka began by exclaiming, “We're no better than bacteria!”, as he jumped into a doomsday malthusian rant about overpopulation destroying the earth.

Standing in front of a slide of human skulls, Pianka gleefully advocated airborne ebola as his preferred method of exterminating the necessary 90% of humans, choosing it over AIDS because of its faster kill period. Ebola victims suffer the most tortuous deaths imaginable as the virus kills by liquefying the internal organs. The body literally dissolves as the victim writhes in pain bleeding from every orifice.

Pianka then cited the Peak Oil fraud as another reason to initiate global genocide. “And the fossil fuels are running out,” he said, “so I think we may have to cut back to two billion, which would be about one-third as many people.”

Later, the scientist welcomed the potential devastation of bird flu and spoke glowingly of China's enforced one child policy, before zestfully commenting, “We need to sterilize everybody on the Earth.”

At the end of Pianka's speech the audience erupted not to a chorus of boos and hisses but to a raucous reception of applause and cheers as audience members clammered to get close to the scientist to ask him follow up questions. Pianka was later presented with a distinguished scientist award by the Academy. Pianka is no crackpot. He has given lectures to prestigious universities worldwide.

One horrified observer was able to make notes on the speech and our gratitude goes to Forrest M. Mims for bringing this sickening display to the attention of the world.

Throughout history elites have invented justification for barbaric practices as a cover for their true agenda of absolute power and control over populations. Up until the 19th century, the transatlantic slave trade was justified by saying that the practice was biblical and therefore morally redeemable in nature, despite the fact that no such bible passage exists.

From 1932 until 1972, the Tuskegee Study Group (pictured below) deliberately infected poor black communities in Alabama with syphilis without their consent and withheld treatment as the diseased rampaged through the town killing families.

Pianka's doomsday warning of the population bomb, for which Mims claims he presented no evidence whatsoever, is complete pseudo-science. Populations in developed countries are declining and only in third world countries is it expanding dramatically. Industrialization itself levels out population trends and even despite this world population models routinely show that the earth's population will level out at 9 billion in 2050 and slowly decline after that. "The population of the most developed countries will remain virtually unchanged at 1.2 billion until 2050," states a United Nations report. Conservation International's own study revealed that 46% of the earth's surface was an untouched wilderness, that is land areas not including sea. It is commonly accepted that the entire world population could all fit into the state of Texas and each have an acre of their own land.

Think about the magnitude of Pianka's statements. He wants to kill nine out of every ten members of your family and he wants to kill them in one of the most painful and agonizing ways imaginable.

If Pianka, or 'The Lizard Man' as he likes to be called, is so vehement in the necessity of culling the human population will he step forward to be the first one in line? Will he sacrifice his children for the so-called greater good of the planet? We somehow doubt it.

Will the students who so enthusiastically greeted his ideas go home and kill themselves for the cause if it is so righteous?

It was noted how Pianka presented his argument with the kind of glee that you would see in a demented serial killer before dispatching his victim. This is an attitude we have encountered again and again. To discuss killing 90% of the world's population via a horrific plague is sick enough within itself but you would at least expect its advocates to be serious and sober in their approach to the subject. The opposite seems to be the case, where the subject is aired in a context of lighthearted lip-smacking and hand-rubbing as if the individual was about to sink his teeth into a T-bone steak.

This window gives us a clear view of exactly why these deranged bastards encompass this ideology. They love death and their lives are motivated by dark influences very different to you or I.

In the 21st century the elite are concerned that from over 6 billion people might spring a new elite to challenge their stranglehold on the reigns of power. This is one reason for desire to cull the population down to a manageable level. Another is control over the behavior of the existing serfs and herding them like cattle into the slaughter house.

As we have documented, members of the elite are quite open in their feverish lust to commit mass murder and ethnic cleansing. In the foreword to his biography If I Were An Animal, Prince Philip wrote, "In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation."

National Security Memo 200, dated April 24, 1974, and titled "Implications of world wide population growth for U.S. security & overseas interests," says:

"Dr. Henry Kissinger proposed in his memorandum to the NSC that "depopulation should be the highest priority of U.S. foreign policy towards the Third World." He quoted reasons of national security, and because `(t)he U.S. economy will require large and increasing amounts of minerals from abroad, especially from less-developed countries ... Wherever a lessening of population can increase the prospects for such stability, population policy becomes relevant to resources, supplies and to the economic interests of U.S."

Kissinger prepared a depopulation manifesto for President Jimmy Carter called 'Global 2000' which detailed using food as a weapon to depopulate the third world.

One of the most chilling admissions of deadly intent came from the lips of the late Jacques Cousteau, the sainted environmental icon. In an interview with the UNESCO Courier for November 1991 the famed oceanographer said:

"The damage people cause to the planet is a function of demographics — it is equal to the degree of development. One American burdens the earth much more than twenty Bangaladeshes. The damage is directly linked to consumption. Our society is turning toward more and needless consumption. It is a vicious circle that I compare to cancer...."

"This is a terrible thing to say. In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 people per day. It is a horrible thing to say, but it’s just as bad not to say it."

The Melbourne Age reported on recently uncovered documents detailing Nobel Peace Prize winning microbiologist Sir Macfarlane Burnet's plan to help the Australian government develop biological weapons for use against Indonesia and other "overpopulated" countries of South-East Asia.

Pianka's ideology is in the same league as Hitler, Pol Pot, and the rest of history's despots who advocated mass extermination and had the temerity to dress it up in a 'noble' Straussian facade. We demand that he be investigated for openly calling for mass murder and in the meantime we encourage everyone to click here and e mail Pianka, enabling him to receive your feedback about his wish that you and your entire family die.
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"It is commonly accepted that the entire world population could all fit into the state of Texas and each have an acre of their own land. "

That's right, baby!
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So is this professor volunteering to be first to be culled? Where's his credibility if he doesn't practice what he preaches?
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Be careful Jeremy, Big Brother is watching you... :? :lol:
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