PS Whirl

funklovesfootbag · Post by **funklovesfootbag** » 29 Mar 2006 12:56

Paradox Symposium Whirl (PS Whirl)
CLIP >> (NO PLANT WHILE) SAME IN [PDX][BOD][DEX] > OP CLIP [XBD][DEL]
http://www.hackrifice.com/moves/5pswhirl.wmv

I hit PS whirl for the first time the other day, and I am wondering where most people set the bag for this trick. I think i set it a little bit above my waist when I hit it, but I noticed in the flipsider media room Ellis Piltz sets the bag REALLY high.. like almost to his neck.

So, set it to ??????? height, replace support leg with dexing leg, turn away from the bag so that the whirl is at the right angle... and bust it!

anything else?

professor · Post by **professor** » 29 Mar 2006 13:46

I set mine about belly button height.

Slowsis · Post by **Slowsis** » 29 Mar 2006 15:21

Wow....there aren't any other threads on Ps Whirl!

Yeah...I'm just starting to hit this too and was wondering if anyone has good advice. Mine are always sloppy and i end the trick leaning way to far away from the bag to do anything meaningful after.

professor · Post by **professor** » 29 Mar 2006 16:46

It may seem obvious, but I suggest practicing symposium whirls and paradox whirls. You need to set the bag properly for a ps whirl and pdx whirls will help you with that. You also need to learn the motion for ps whirl and symp. whirls will help with that. Learn those two elements and you'll be hitting ps whirls in no time.

Some general tips I have are keep your shin pointed to the ground when you dex the bag and try and time your jump so that you land exactly when the bag lands on your foot. This way the bag won't bounce and it will reduce bag roll.

funklovesfootbag · Post by **funklovesfootbag** » 30 Mar 2006 01:25

try and time your jump so that you land exactly when the bag lands on your foot. This way the bag won't bounce and it will reduce bag roll.

my symp whirls are a little mistimed; i land and then the bag lands on my foot... i guess i just need more practice...tips on timing would be hard to give i imagine.

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 30 Mar 2006 01:58

For ps whirl I tend to set fairly high - about nipple height. I guess I like a big jump and a bit of flair with this move. Also it's often a bit of a bail move - so I have time to recover from whatever was before the move and then get into it.

professor · Post by **professor** » 30 Mar 2006 02:00

my symp whirls are a little mistimed; i land and then the bag lands on my foot... i guess i just need more practice

Well, plain symp. whirls are different from ps whirls. I think it's ok to be a little "mistimed" with symp. whirls, but it's always better to have perfect timing.

beenjammin · Post by **beenjammin** » 30 Mar 2006 07:49

I also just learned ps whirls, unfortunately I sprained my ankle doing a toe whirl into a hole i didnt see. Whenever I hit just a ps whirl i set close to nipple high, however sometimes when i hit them in mid shred i will set it really low and it seems to work good both ways. I have heard that this trick is dangerous and i wonder how some people do so many of them and some guys cant do them at all without hurting themselves. I have only felt pain in the knee one time from them on my flipside which sometimes looks alot different than my right and sometimes is cleaner than my right. Just be careful!

max · Post by **max** » 30 Mar 2006 08:04

I'm with Jeremy on this one. I tend to set pretty high (chest high). This is due to the fact that when I started hitting PS whirls I'd watch videos of Ryan M. do them and that's roughly where he'd set. Here is an example of one of Ryan's superflies: http://www.planetfootbag.de/tintins_pla ... perfly.mpg

I think the set height and timing for both moves is pretty close.

King Monkey · Post by **King Monkey** » 31 Mar 2006 10:07

Max has the right idea here hehehe he gave me that advice when he was in Sydney and i hit it like 5 min later

im eternally greatful Max!!

In fact i miss ya bro! How come we spent basically no time when i was in Europe!? how shitty...

Matt K · Post by **Matt K** » 06 Apr 2006 18:28

is there a good way to train your symp. leg to do the dexes? i was toying around with symp and ps whirl (without the bag) and i was doing decent on the regular whirl, but for the paradox, my leg would basically go straight up and straight down. any tips?

Uranos · Post by **Uranos** » 07 Apr 2006 04:01

I practiced about 100 times more without the bag for this. Hopping on one foot and trying to hop High helps.

Matt K · Post by **Matt K** » 07 Apr 2006 11:32

i'm not sure if this would actually do anything, but i was thinking last night that if i held on to something for support while i was doing the dex, my leg could get the general motion. will this help?

Uranos · Post by **Uranos** » 08 Apr 2006 00:07

Yeah. When i started doing that i couldnt do the dex without the support but if you keep schooling that then eventually you can do it without support.

ShredOnLawn · Post by **ShredOnLawn** » 08 Apr 2006 01:58

Stay away from this trick.

Knee's so no.

I say no fun.

Jimpenske · Post by **Jimpenske** » 08 Apr 2006 11:27

I think it's good to practice symp and ps whirl motions on a trampoline. You can practice doing the exact motion and there's no impact.
Sometimes I set ps whirl as high as my head. Other times I set it about knee high. I guess it depends on how you want it to look. But if you do this move right it should NOT hurt your knee.

sampotter · Post by **sampotter** » 08 Apr 2006 17:26

If this trick is hard on you don't be afraid to TURN AWAY FROM THE BAG. The more you cut the dex instead of slotting the bag behind you, the worse it is on your knees. Unless, of course, you happen to be blessed with a very resilient and flexible body type. For everyone else, though, this trick is ALL about ergonomics. Landing as light as possible is also very important.

Regarding set height, I try and minimize the height as much as possible without compromising the trick's form. I'm personally of the opinion that about a nipple height set is good, but I'm no ps whirl master. Most of this is from my somewhat limited experience and what I've heard from others.

Muffinman · Post by **Muffinman** » 08 Apr 2006 20:08

ShredOnLawn wrote:Stay away from this trick.

Knee's so no.

I say no fun.

I agree

beenjammin · Post by **beenjammin** » 07 May 2006 08:15

I was wondering, Lon Smith, when you hurt your knee doing mullet, i think it was, did it all of a sudden happen, or did it just get progressively worse until you finally said enough?