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james_dean · Post by **james_dean** » 30 Apr 2006 19:07

Hakker wrote:thats what heterosexualls are, afraid of the unknown.

I'm going to assume that's not what you actually meant. I hope it's not what you meant.

"gay*" is a ridiculous concept.

My personal view is that homosexuality is wrong, and I often use the term 'gay' in everyday conversation in a negative way, but it doesn't really register as 'homosexual' in my mind, and I would never do so around my gay friends and don't online. It's unnecessary, I shouldn't even use it in conversation but oh well.

Funnily enough I have a gay friend who's often uses 'fag' as an insult. He's a champ

Oh and another thing, what's with gay people acting the 'gay' stereotype? I hate it, why should being homosexual change the way you act and talk? are there any homosexuals on here that could throw some light on that one? One of my mates is gay but acts just as he did before he came out, it's great.

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 30 Apr 2006 20:53

Just to be clear - this topic is not about being gay or what words gay people use to describe themselves or if they like being called gay or not. This topic is about using the word "gay" to describe things that are not related to sexuality but are bad.

I really see this as a no brainer. I personally don't feel any loss of freedom if I express myself without using the word "gay". However I know from when I ran the modified users survey that a significant number of people are concerned about homophobic langauge being used on the forum. Now if you respect the other people on this forum you won't use the word "gay" to describe negative things in your life. I can't see the use or lack of use of that word really having any effect on the people who choose to use or not use it - but obviously some poeple don't like its use. So you can use the word and unneccessarily offend people or you can not use it.

Hakker · Post by **Hakker** » 01 May 2006 17:36

Just as a side note, homosexuality is not "unnatural" and has been around as long as mankind.

shredzilla · Post by **shredzilla** » 01 May 2006 18:18

Any text to back that up hakker?

Hakker · Post by **Hakker** » 02 May 2006 13:35

Well maybe not as old as mankind, that was exagerated, but there were gay romans, and probably before that.

HighDemonslayer · Post by **HighDemonslayer** » 02 May 2006 14:30

Lawsuit challenges use of gay-themed storybook

http://www.cnn.com/2006/EDUCATION/04/28 ... index.html

Makes you wonder, what is the youngest possible age, that they will start targeting gay propaganda at elementary school students, (2nd grade, in the above story).

This is exactly what I said would happen, when a state legalizes gay marriage, against the measured will of the people.

It's legal, so they can obsess about it, in every classroom, in every grade, in every book,in every lesson plan, if they can get away with it.

"Heteros" are correct to fear, or oppose this indoctrination and recruitment of their kids.

They can fear this, and be tolerant at the same time.

For example, one could agree with the following 2 statements, and not be hypocritical:

1. "Consenting adults should be able to do whatever they want in their own bedrooms."

2. "My 4 year old kid should not have gay sex being promoted to him, against my wishes, done in secret, in the classroom."

-n

Tsiangkun · Post by **Tsiangkun** » 02 May 2006 14:49

The school system has nobusiness taking on the role of parent.

Fu*k getting worked up over what the schools teach. Get pissed at inadequate parents for failing to do their job, and then bitching at the schools for not doing it the way they would have liked to have had it done if they had done it themselves.

I don't see a homosexual agenda, I see a failure of parenting that has allowed the schools to replaced the roles of the parents. Now the parents are pissed because it's not done in the way they would do it at home. These are the same fukmurts that hand over everyones freedom because they are scared of terror, or drugs, or whatever the scare of the week is. This is just one instance where the freedom they handed over has come back to bite them in the ass.

Hakker · Post by **Hakker** » 02 May 2006 18:25

Oh come on, Demonslayer. Gay people arent trying to recruit our children. You make them sound like friggin Nazis or some radical military group. I agree that parents should have the right to teach their kids what they want, but Gay propoganda? I think if anything kids are being raised too much toward hating gays than siding* with them.

*= I dont think siding is really the right term, since its not like there is a big war where you need to pick sides or anything like that.

mtoolan · Post by **mtoolan** » 02 May 2006 18:55

Hakker wrote:Well maybe not as old as mankind, that was exagerated, but there were gay romans, and probably before that.

A side note about that. I'm not sure about romans specifically but I know that in ancient cultures it was considered ok for men to have relations with other men or sometimes even boys. This came mostly from the fact that in ancient times women were considered unclean(not exactly the word i was looking for but it escapes me right now). I don't think it was technically homosexuality in the sense that they only went for other males. It was more that society saw women as "dirty" and men as pure(again not exactly the word i was looking for) so it was better to have sexual relations with other guys.

I'm a bad thought organizer, especially this late, so sorry if its sounds bad.

Moxie · Post by **Moxie** » 03 May 2006 00:07

HighDemonslayer wrote:2. "My 4 year old kid should not have gay sex being promoted to him, against my wishes, done in secret, in the classroom."

When did gay sex come into the issue of the classroom book?

HighDemonslayer · Post by **HighDemonslayer** » 03 May 2006 09:20

No, I wasn't implying that, the linked story, was promoting gay sex......but that in general people can support full protections for homosexuals, AND oppose secret propaganda (in many other school districts) at the same time.

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Recruitment is not in a Nazi sense, because young kids don't need to be turned into activists, they just need to be turned gay, to ensure a steady gay population, and protect the activists power.

I have no problem with the vast majority of gay people ,going about their business, which is none of mine.

I feel the need to state that I am only concerned with the obsessed activists.

Those activists are likely to be the ones to screw up the tolerance gays enjoy right now.

-n

Slowsis · Post by **Slowsis** » 03 May 2006 18:41

We already have a thread about this don't we?

Lets picture little Nathan, at age 6, in a classroom being told about some people who perfer to have a family where there are two dad's. Would that have had ANY chance of making him a homosexual? Or would he have grown up the exact same way, if maybe a little more tolerent?

The reason there is so much homophobia in the world is because people are afraid to talk about it. Ignorance breeds fear, and fear breeds hatred, and education of children should only worry those who feel more comfortable hating the reality that people are gay, and that they can't do anything about it.

shredzilla wrote:Any text to back that up hakker?

www.bidstrup.com/sodomy.htm
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/031219 ... e&n=283155
Animals are gay too!

Hakker · Post by **Hakker** » 04 May 2006 11:20

^^^
Good point, and

Thanks for the

shredzilla wrote:text to back that up

shredzilla · Post by **shredzilla** » 04 May 2006 11:31

How does that text back up your claim that homosexuality has ocurred in the human species since the 'dawn of mankind'? As far as I can tell it's mainly a study on animals and recent humans.

HighDemonslayer · Post by **HighDemonslayer** » 04 May 2006 15:01

Yeah, there is that other thread , I shoulda posted there instead.

Maybe we need a new gay sub-forum here at modified.

-n

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 04 May 2006 18:31

shredzilla wrote:How does that text back up your claim that homosexuality has ocurred in the human species since the 'dawn of mankind'? As far as I can tell it's mainly a study on animals and recent humans.

Do you really doubt this? Why don't you do some research yourself. There isn't a great deal of evidence of the sexuality of early man - but due to the fact that plenty of animals - including our closest relative (based on DNA similarities anyway) demonstrate homosexual behaviour, it seems fairly widely accepted that homosexuality is not something new and artificial but really something that has been happening since the "invention" of sex - in all species.

I'd like to hear a reason why you think animals and people have become gay in the last few thousand years...

shredzilla · Post by **shredzilla** » 04 May 2006 20:03

I don't have a comment, I'm just stating it's an impossibility to speculate using recent evidence for a species that's at least 200,000 years old.

shredzilla · Post by **shredzilla** » 04 May 2006 20:11

And sorry for the double post, but I've decided to bow out gracefully from another mundane topic. This entire thread has been about semantics and speculation of a particular subculture within the human species. I have nothing against gay people, I guess I always get roped into silly semantics arguments when I feel people make blanket statements as fact. The fact of the matter is this thread has bored the hell out of me for at least 2 pages. The only thing I found interesting was the evolution of human language and the margin of psychological impact it has on society.

Hakker · Post by **Hakker** » 06 May 2006 04:31

shredzilla wrote: This entire thread has been about semantics and speculation of a particular subculture within the human species.

The thread is called Gay. Whaddid ya expect?

The fact of the matter is this thread has bored the hell out of me for at least 2 pages.

Then why did you post seven times?

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shredzilla · Post by **shredzilla** » 06 May 2006 06:36

Hakker wrote:
shredzilla wrote:The fact of the matter is this thread has bored the hell out of me for at least 2 pages.
Then why did you post seven times?

shredzilla wrote:I have nothing against gay people, I guess I always get roped into silly semantics arguments when I feel people make blanket statements as fact.

Now please stop baiting me Hakker, it's childish of you and it's getting old.