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Just a simple math question.

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Factor the fallowing equation.

a^2 + 12a + 24 = 0

Solve for a.

Try this one too.

2b^4 + 8b^2 - 12 = 0

Solve for b.

This is just cuz I'm bored so I thought I'd grab a few basic algebra questions, lol. If I don't have a response in a few hours, I'll post a hint. :wink:

I don't expect this to be hard, lol. This is by no means college level math, lol.

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Are you asking for help or just want to see if people can do this?
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Complete the square.

For real solutions, a= -6+sqrt(12), -6-sqrt(12)
b=+sqrt(-2+sqrt(10)), -sqrt(-2+sqrt(10))

If you wanted help, just ask. You always try to sound so elevated on here, and I don't know why.
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SandWraith wrote:Complete the square.

For real solutions, a= -6+sqrt(12), -6-sqrt(12)
b=+sqrt(-2+sqrt(10)), -sqrt(-2+sqrt(10))

If you wanted help, just ask. You always try to sound so elevated on here, and I don't know why.
lol?

I wasn't kidding. This isn't for homework. I don't have homework at my school, it isn't assigned. I'm not even kidding, school policy, no homework whatsoever.

I was just posting it for fun... Jeeze dude. It's really easy **** to do too.
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Re: Just a simple math question.

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Switch Kicker wrote:Factor the fallowing equation.

a^2 + 12a + 24 = 0

Solve for a.

Try this one too.

2b^4 + 8b^2 - 12 = 0

Solve for b.

This is just cuz I'm bored so I thought I'd grab a few basic algebra questions, lol. If I don't have a response in a few hours, I'll post a hint. :wink:

I don't expect this to be hard, lol. This is by no means college level math, lol.

Peace,
Fred.
[a^2 + 12a + 24 = 0] =>
[a^2 + 12a + 24] =>
[(a + 8)(a + 3)] =>
[(a + 8)(a + 3) = 0]
a = -8, -3

Easy.

[2b^4 + 8b^2 - 12 = 0] =>
[2b^4 + 8b^2 - 12] =>
[(2b^2 + 6)(2b^2 - 2)] =>
[(2b^2 + 6)(2b^2 - 2) = 0]

(2b^2 -2) = 0
b = 1

(2b^2 + 6) = 0
b = -1.73 (Rounded off, lol. It's the -square root of 3.)

There are 2 possible answers for both of the questions.

Sandwraith. I love your avatar and all... But do not call me dumb, or suggest that I"m stupid and that I'm trying to cover it up because some form of imbarrassment that doesn't exist inside me.

These math questions are very simple questions, ones that I already know the answers to. It's simply for entertainment. I find math to be fun, even if it's basic math.

Don't insult my integrity anymore, and we'll get along just fine.

And what do you mean by being elevated? Trying to act like I'm better than I really am? No, that's not true either. I have nothing to prove to anyone except that I am just as good a community member here as anyone else and that I am here to expand footbag as a sport, and a passtime.

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Re: Just a simple math question.

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Switch Kicker wrote: [a^2 + 12a + 24 = 0] =>
[a^2 + 12a + 24] =>
[(a + 8)(a + 3)] => that gives a^2 + 11a + 24, not +12a
[(a + 8)(a + 3) = 0]
a = -8, -3

Easy.

Try plugging those back into the equation.
For a=-8, a^2 + 12a +24 = 64 - 96 + 24 = -8 which does not equal 0
For a=-3, a^2 + 12a + 24 = 9 - 36 + 24 = -3 which does not equal 0


[2b^4 + 8b^2 - 12 = 0] =>
[2b^4 + 8b^2 - 12] =>
[(2b^2 + 6)(2b^2 - 2)] => that gives a coefficient of +4 for the b^2 term, not +8 as required
[(2b^2 + 6)(2b^2 - 2) = 0]

(2b^2 -2) = 0
b = 1
Again, plug it in. 2(1^4) + 8(1^2) - 12 = 2 + 8 - 12 = -2 which does not equal 0. Same thing for the next one
(2b^2 + 6) = 0
b = -1.73 (Rounded off, lol. It's the -square root of 3.)
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Yea... I screwed up on the first equatin, lol. My bad.

As for the second equation, I am right. Your statment, "[(2b^2 + 6)(2b^2 - 2)] => that gives a coefficient of +4 for the b^2 term, not +8 as required", is not true.

(2b^2 + 6)(2b^2 - 2)

6 multiplied by -2 = -12
(2b^2 + 6)(2b^2 - 2)
6 multiplied by 2b^2 = 12b^2

(2b^2 + 6)(2b^2 - 2)
-2b^2 multiplied by -2 = -4b^2.

12b^2 + -4b^2 = 8b^2, not 4b^2 as you stated above.

My first equation was yea... a fuck up, lol. It's always something REALLY little such as that that gets me, lol. But the second equation is correct. :wink: If not, I'm gonig to feel really awkward, edit all my posts to be empty, and then go cry in a corner in shame of my rediculous lack of attention to detail, lol.

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Switch Kicker wrote: (2b^2 + 6)(2b^2 - 2)

6 multiplied by -2 = -12
(2b^2 + 6)(2b^2 - 2)
6 multiplied by 2b^2 = 12b^2

(2b^2 + 6)(2b^2 - 2)
-2b^2 multiplied by -2 = -4b^2.

12b^2 + -4b^2 = 8b^2, not 4b^2 as you stated above.
True, that would give +8b^2 as you stated, I didn't notice that you had a 2 in the parentheses for each b^2. The problem with that, though, is that 2b^2 * 2b^2 = 4b^4 and you want 2b^4. The fact that plugging your solution back into the equation doesn't yield 0 is a giveaway that there was an error somewhere. It's a useful technique when the equations get really hairy.
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(2b^2 + 6)(2b^2 - 2) = 0 =>

If b = 1:

(2•1^2 + 6)(2•1^2 - 2) =>
(2•1 + 6)(2•1 - 2) =>
(2 + 6)(2 - 2) =>
8 • 0 = 0

I now realize of course, lol. -1.73^2 still equals positive 3, not negative, LOL. Damn I need to take some more adderall, lol.

Ok.. So I'm not good at creating my own mathmatical problems, lol. But I don't have a problem with solving ones people give to me, lol.
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... Doesn't (2b^2)^2 = 2b^4? I beleive it does... Damnit...screw this... I'm NO good at creating math problems that make sense, lmao.

But I'm pretty sure (2b^2)(2b^2) = 2b^4.

If I'm wrong... Well... I'm going to quit doing this crap for a few days untill I figure out what the hell's wrong with me, lol. Or just start taking questions out of some text books that I can find. :wink: Either way, still fun. Math is fun, that's all I can say. :)

No, I'm not a geek either, lol. I just like to use my head while I"ve got it cuz I know I'm going to lose it one day. (Like around age 75, youknow?)
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Switch Kicker wrote: If b = 1:

(2•1^2 + 6)(2•1^2 - 2) =>
(2•1 + 6)(2•1 - 2) =>
(2 + 6)(2 - 2) =>
8 • 0 = 0
Yes, b=1 works for that equation. The issue is that (2b^2 + 6)(2b^2 - 2) does not equal 2b^4 + 8b^2 - 12, so b=1 is not a solution to the original problem, which is what you asked. That is, again, a result of the fact that (2b^2)^2 = (2^2)(b^2)^2 = 4b^4 and not 2b^4.

Math is fun, but tricky too. There's all kinds of little errors that can be made.
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SandWraith wrote:
Switch Kicker wrote: Math is fun, but tricky too. There's all kinds of little errors that can be made.
True that.
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Just wait till you get to calculus ;) Fun times.

Here are theNavier Stokes equation for fluid mechanics. These are oodles of fun.
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Of course. Math is crazy fun, :wink: lol. Just.. somtimes... when you miss somethig SO simple, and SO small... And it throws it all out of whack... You can't help but get frustrated when you can't figure out what you did wrong, :cry: lol.
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Switch Kicker wrote:Of course. Math is crazy fun, :wink: lol. Just.. somtimes... when you miss somethig SO simple, and SO small... And it throws it all out of whack... You can't help but get frustrated when you can't figure out what you did wrong, :cry: lol.
If you want to be good at math, or any related science field that uses it (physics, chemistry, engineering etc.) you've got to be willing to make mistakes. You've got to be willing to try to solve whole problems and go back and realize that one mistake skewed your whole answer and be ok to take another stab at it. You can't let yourself get frustrated over it. Mistakes are part of the learning process, they are part of the solution process. You think someone came up with those Navier Stokes equations on the first try "gee, this is how water works". Absolutely not, they weren't even finalized until late 19th century after hundreds of years of work starting with Isaac Newton.

The people who are good at math are often the ones who have the guts to make mistakes, and the courage to go back and analyze where they went wrong and give it another go. Math is determinstic and absolute, people are not.

Ok end of rant. I can be such a damn nerd some times.
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Phht.

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