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This thread is funny as shit, really entertaining. I remember when I found out about bloughchi, we thought it was a joke. Have you guys read the "Manifesto"? They have a Manifesto, and they believe that the delay is evil. Thank God there is comedy this good in footbag. The dude named the style after himself and added "chi" on the end. Not Tai Chi, but Blogh chi!!! HAAA. Man that website and organization is bordering on being a cult, no shit. Can we say "Narcissistic"?
Dont get me wrong, I respect the ability to gracefully kick a footbag. I believe everyone should learn to kick a bit before they start busting phat tricks, and Ether actually seems like a cool hippie who I'd have no problem smoking some ganja with, but do you really need to call it Bloughchi????
Dont get me wrong, I respect the ability to gracefully kick a footbag. I believe everyone should learn to kick a bit before they start busting phat tricks, and Ether actually seems like a cool hippie who I'd have no problem smoking some ganja with, but do you really need to call it Bloughchi????
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do you play?! When I was first starting out I really REALLY SUCKED! I learned some really cool small things that help me out a lot!. Don't be afraid to ask other players for help if you're confused. But do remember to keep in mind rules of common etiquette. Always remember that other players are people just like you."
LordKingdomUltimate,
After dissing Kenny Shults like you did you are lecturing people on ETIQUETTE??!??
That is the most hypocritical thing I've ever seen.
You owe Shults an apology. A groveling one, filled with sweat
and tears.
I am waiting.
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do you play?! When I was first starting out I really REALLY SUCKED! I learned some really cool small things that help me out a lot!. Don't be afraid to ask other players for help if you're confused. But do remember to keep in mind rules of common etiquette. Always remember that other players are people just like you."
LordKingdomUltimate,
After dissing Kenny Shults like you did you are lecturing people on ETIQUETTE??!??
That is the most hypocritical thing I've ever seen.
You owe Shults an apology. A groveling one, filled with sweat
and tears.
I am waiting.
Peter Irish
5 Time Singles
World Freestyle Champion
unaswered questions
I guess i refer to my style as bloughchi, because if i said I do freestyle you would instantly think i do the same tricks and stuff as you guys.
As to Bloughchi evolving - It is a personal growth thing and up to each individual. The same question could be asked about freestyle. Is it still evolving ? How many new tricks can be invented before all the possibilities are done ?
Would freestyle be worth playing once you master every possible trick ? The answer i think is yes.
As to my comment about adds. you might not think its true. But when was the last world champ that relied on style and consistantly used moves worth less points than his opponent. Never(I ain't no footbag historian, so correct me if i'm wrong)
nei-tan : maybe we'll hook up one day
ps. i dont play ultima online, i was being facetious
As to Bloughchi evolving - It is a personal growth thing and up to each individual. The same question could be asked about freestyle. Is it still evolving ? How many new tricks can be invented before all the possibilities are done ?
Would freestyle be worth playing once you master every possible trick ? The answer i think is yes.
As to my comment about adds. you might not think its true. But when was the last world champ that relied on style and consistantly used moves worth less points than his opponent. Never(I ain't no footbag historian, so correct me if i'm wrong)
nei-tan : maybe we'll hook up one day
ps. i dont play ultima online, i was being facetious
mann shut the hell up - i hate that crap - i just emailed them a while back and told them how stupid that shit was and they emailed me back sayin something like i would never understand how rewarding it was and how it expresses your self - the bottom line: bloughchi is a pile shit and it should never be spoke of again.....
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I think the main problem most people have with Bloughchi lies not in what Bloughchi is saying, so much as in how it says it.
I think that most freestyle footbaggers would agree that it IS indeed fun to stand in a hack circle and just kick it with a bunch of friends. There IS something to Bloughchi`s assertion that having a good flow and just cooperatively booting around a beanbag with a bunch of other people is fun and rewarding.
For example, on the shred video Overground, I appear in a circle like this kicking it with some people I never met before. This wasn`t staged; I just like meeting new people and I find its a good way to warm up (though I now prefer 4 square). Its also a nice way to recruit new freestylers, since you break the ice and establish yourself as a non-intimidating presence. So even an admitted freestyle enthusiast like myself does not have an inherent problem with just kicking it bloughchi-style.
The problem with Bloughchi is in the pompous, often hypocritical, and ridiculous manner in which it presents itself. Let`s start with the most obvious: the name.
Many people before Steve Blough realized that kicking around a footbag can be a fun and expressive form of exercise. But even if Steve Blough WAS the first to realize this, it is the height of egotism to name a sport after yourself. And he didn`t just name it after himself, he had to tack on the suffix `chi` to it to make it sound like a martial art! This is just laughable really. Somolinos-chi! Naismith actually INVENTED his sport, but thankfully he had the good sense to name it Basketball, instead of Naismithball, or worse still, Naismith-chi.
So once people recover from the paroxysms of laughter induced by the ridiculousness and egotism of naming a sport after oneself (when you didn`t even invent it), people go on to read things like:
`By continuing development in the Bloughchi style, a kicker comes to the point of being able to put the footbag anywhere desired when returning a pass. Proficiency in Bloughchi allows the kicker to literally meet the footbag if it is physically possible and to kick it anywhere the kicker wants the footbag put. Think of how an extraordinary tennis player can block the ball with the racket and return it anywhere he or she wants. Or how an extraordinary baseball player can block the ball with the bat and put that ball anywhere in the park or out of it. You can control a footbag just as well with your foot! `
A practitioner of Somolinos-chi is incredibly able to pick up rolls of sushi with a pair of chopsticks! Just as an incredible skee-ball player can roll a ball perfectly into the 50 point hole, a master of Somolinos-chi can guide the food into his mouth- and then chew it!!!!! Maybe you can too!!!
Now seriously, come frikkin on. How are we supposed to take this seriously? I think its very safe to say that every guiltless freestyler can claim this level of proficiency in terms of controlling a footbag, and many tiltless or lower players can too. This is just such an obvious and easy benchmark of ability, that freestylers dont even bother mentioning it.
The problem lies in that by hyping up such minor possibilities of the sport (you can actually CONTROL where the footbag goes!!!), it makes the sport seem ridiculous. It also highlights the narrow vision bloughchi offers. If you set the bar that low, people will only rise to that level of mediocrity.
Lets examine some other assertions made by footbag.com and blougchi:
`Sometimes kickers stop developing that 360° ability and become more involved with tricks. That is fine if that is what they enjoy but the 360° ability to control the footbag insures even better tricks. `
1. The assertion that becoming `more involved with tricks` is somehow related to the stopping of the development of `that 360 ability` is patently false. To execute tricks, you have to be extremely aware of what Bloughchi describes as 360 ability. I argue that being able to hit a spinning mobius requires more awareness of your surroundings than just learning to kick. And the idea that learning to hit spinning mobius makes you less aware of your surroundings is just idiotic.
2. If the second line of the quote means: `mastering the basic kicks and having control of the footbag will allow you to learn tricks better,` then I wholeheartedly agree. Unfortunately, even when a point is made that I agree with, it is phrased in a manner that makes it seem contentious. The section I quoted above give the impression that Bloughchi is better than learning tricks, which isn`t supported convincingly anywhere.
OK, onto my assertion that bloughchi and footbag.com are hypocritical.
`This type of kicking requires a firm footbag, not a mushy one, so that it can be kicked hard enough and fast enough to provide time to accomplish spins, leaps, etc. Stalls are not advantageous to this type of kicking because stalling is basically an introverted activity rather than an extroverted one. If you stall the bag the rest of the circle will have no idea what you intend to do next and the bag is essentially out of play until you decide to do something different -- it stops the flow, the synergy. Stalling tricks are really an individual activity. Bloughchi style of 360° of control will enable better stalling but stalling will not lead to the synergistic movement and mind melding that occurs in a kicking circle dedicated to keeping the footbag in the air.`
Front page of footbag.com is a business for selling `stalling stars.` I`m resting my case here.
Finally, for a sport that emphasizes the synergy of the group, isn`t it weird how one man is idolized and held up as some sort of messiah? Or the instruction that in a circle the strongest player should become the `leader?` And for a sport which is supposed to be about non-competitiveness and good feelings, why the loaded language every time freestyle footbag is mentioned? Use of words such as `grandstanding` highlight an inherent bias against freestyle. Why the need to define themselves in opposition to freestyle? Why are they so afraid of people trying out freestyle? Could it possibly be that they fear people will like freestyle footbag more? Hmm....
I`ll end this hungover rant with some words of advice for the kids out there.
So listen up to your elders:
Kids, always be wary when somebody tells you to limit your thinking. If somebody tells you not to think for yourself, or somebody tells you not to experiment for yourself, or to not try new things, be very suspicious of them and their motives. The best way to learn the truth is on your own, by going out there and experimenting. This means don`t listen to the crap on the bloughci site, but also dont just take my word (or the word of other critics of blougchi) as gospel. Go read the site for yourself, go try out bloughchi yourself, come to your own conclusions.
I think that most freestyle footbaggers would agree that it IS indeed fun to stand in a hack circle and just kick it with a bunch of friends. There IS something to Bloughchi`s assertion that having a good flow and just cooperatively booting around a beanbag with a bunch of other people is fun and rewarding.
For example, on the shred video Overground, I appear in a circle like this kicking it with some people I never met before. This wasn`t staged; I just like meeting new people and I find its a good way to warm up (though I now prefer 4 square). Its also a nice way to recruit new freestylers, since you break the ice and establish yourself as a non-intimidating presence. So even an admitted freestyle enthusiast like myself does not have an inherent problem with just kicking it bloughchi-style.
The problem with Bloughchi is in the pompous, often hypocritical, and ridiculous manner in which it presents itself. Let`s start with the most obvious: the name.
Many people before Steve Blough realized that kicking around a footbag can be a fun and expressive form of exercise. But even if Steve Blough WAS the first to realize this, it is the height of egotism to name a sport after yourself. And he didn`t just name it after himself, he had to tack on the suffix `chi` to it to make it sound like a martial art! This is just laughable really. Somolinos-chi! Naismith actually INVENTED his sport, but thankfully he had the good sense to name it Basketball, instead of Naismithball, or worse still, Naismith-chi.
So once people recover from the paroxysms of laughter induced by the ridiculousness and egotism of naming a sport after oneself (when you didn`t even invent it), people go on to read things like:
`By continuing development in the Bloughchi style, a kicker comes to the point of being able to put the footbag anywhere desired when returning a pass. Proficiency in Bloughchi allows the kicker to literally meet the footbag if it is physically possible and to kick it anywhere the kicker wants the footbag put. Think of how an extraordinary tennis player can block the ball with the racket and return it anywhere he or she wants. Or how an extraordinary baseball player can block the ball with the bat and put that ball anywhere in the park or out of it. You can control a footbag just as well with your foot! `
A practitioner of Somolinos-chi is incredibly able to pick up rolls of sushi with a pair of chopsticks! Just as an incredible skee-ball player can roll a ball perfectly into the 50 point hole, a master of Somolinos-chi can guide the food into his mouth- and then chew it!!!!! Maybe you can too!!!
Now seriously, come frikkin on. How are we supposed to take this seriously? I think its very safe to say that every guiltless freestyler can claim this level of proficiency in terms of controlling a footbag, and many tiltless or lower players can too. This is just such an obvious and easy benchmark of ability, that freestylers dont even bother mentioning it.
The problem lies in that by hyping up such minor possibilities of the sport (you can actually CONTROL where the footbag goes!!!), it makes the sport seem ridiculous. It also highlights the narrow vision bloughchi offers. If you set the bar that low, people will only rise to that level of mediocrity.
Lets examine some other assertions made by footbag.com and blougchi:
`Sometimes kickers stop developing that 360° ability and become more involved with tricks. That is fine if that is what they enjoy but the 360° ability to control the footbag insures even better tricks. `
1. The assertion that becoming `more involved with tricks` is somehow related to the stopping of the development of `that 360 ability` is patently false. To execute tricks, you have to be extremely aware of what Bloughchi describes as 360 ability. I argue that being able to hit a spinning mobius requires more awareness of your surroundings than just learning to kick. And the idea that learning to hit spinning mobius makes you less aware of your surroundings is just idiotic.
2. If the second line of the quote means: `mastering the basic kicks and having control of the footbag will allow you to learn tricks better,` then I wholeheartedly agree. Unfortunately, even when a point is made that I agree with, it is phrased in a manner that makes it seem contentious. The section I quoted above give the impression that Bloughchi is better than learning tricks, which isn`t supported convincingly anywhere.
OK, onto my assertion that bloughchi and footbag.com are hypocritical.
`This type of kicking requires a firm footbag, not a mushy one, so that it can be kicked hard enough and fast enough to provide time to accomplish spins, leaps, etc. Stalls are not advantageous to this type of kicking because stalling is basically an introverted activity rather than an extroverted one. If you stall the bag the rest of the circle will have no idea what you intend to do next and the bag is essentially out of play until you decide to do something different -- it stops the flow, the synergy. Stalling tricks are really an individual activity. Bloughchi style of 360° of control will enable better stalling but stalling will not lead to the synergistic movement and mind melding that occurs in a kicking circle dedicated to keeping the footbag in the air.`
Front page of footbag.com is a business for selling `stalling stars.` I`m resting my case here.
Finally, for a sport that emphasizes the synergy of the group, isn`t it weird how one man is idolized and held up as some sort of messiah? Or the instruction that in a circle the strongest player should become the `leader?` And for a sport which is supposed to be about non-competitiveness and good feelings, why the loaded language every time freestyle footbag is mentioned? Use of words such as `grandstanding` highlight an inherent bias against freestyle. Why the need to define themselves in opposition to freestyle? Why are they so afraid of people trying out freestyle? Could it possibly be that they fear people will like freestyle footbag more? Hmm....
I`ll end this hungover rant with some words of advice for the kids out there.
So listen up to your elders:
Kids, always be wary when somebody tells you to limit your thinking. If somebody tells you not to think for yourself, or somebody tells you not to experiment for yourself, or to not try new things, be very suspicious of them and their motives. The best way to learn the truth is on your own, by going out there and experimenting. This means don`t listen to the crap on the bloughci site, but also dont just take my word (or the word of other critics of blougchi) as gospel. Go read the site for yourself, go try out bloughchi yourself, come to your own conclusions.
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Fucking 5!!! Ken, you have done it.
Ken somolinos (HAHA, you accididentally finally admitted it after at least 6 people have asked) aka C-Fan is the second person to recieve the honor of 420 props, way to friggin go for posting the best post I've seen yet.
Now, Ken is completely right, its just the mention of your frickin website that we hate. If you had made your first post and said:
Hey all you sick freestyle people, my name is (blank) and while I have seen and begun to work on some of this newer freestyle, I am one of those people that just loves hack. You know, just rallys and hacks and keeping the bag alive. It's such a great feeling. Do any of you guys feel that way too?
Then we would have said
Hey dude, most of us here are into advancing freestyle and doing the biggest tricks that we can, but most of us still hack a little once in a while. welcome to the board, maybe we can change your mind.
And jesus, Pimp C was even harsher than me! I didn't know that could be done.
Ken somolinos (HAHA, you accididentally finally admitted it after at least 6 people have asked) aka C-Fan is the second person to recieve the honor of 420 props, way to friggin go for posting the best post I've seen yet.
Now, Ken is completely right, its just the mention of your frickin website that we hate. If you had made your first post and said:
Hey all you sick freestyle people, my name is (blank) and while I have seen and begun to work on some of this newer freestyle, I am one of those people that just loves hack. You know, just rallys and hacks and keeping the bag alive. It's such a great feeling. Do any of you guys feel that way too?
Then we would have said
Hey dude, most of us here are into advancing freestyle and doing the biggest tricks that we can, but most of us still hack a little once in a while. welcome to the board, maybe we can change your mind.
And jesus, Pimp C was even harsher than me! I didn't know that could be done.
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It seems as if blow-chi (purposely mispelled) is trying to take credit for the very start of footbag, from what I read. I dont' see it being any different from kicking a bag in a circle, other than there are supposed to be more flyers and spins than in a regular circle... I really find this to be preposterous...
And I saw it mentioning as a non-limiting sport or something like that. Of course, that's a downright lie. Wow, I can kick the bag, jump and kick it, and spin and kick it. How is that non-limiting? How hard you can kick it or how well you can keep it under control?
Freestyle has a lot more definition in it. Going around the bag, having it go to both sides of the body, ducking, diving, etc. This really is the non-limiting sport... You are limited only by how much you want to play.
I tried to find something good in blow-chi, I really did... I can't. It seems like way to egotistical of a game by the description. Sure... Footbag has it's egotists, but those people can also help n00bs learn what to do. How do you give advice for kicking a bag around?
OH! One good thing about blow-chi... It uses a footbag...
And I saw it mentioning as a non-limiting sport or something like that. Of course, that's a downright lie. Wow, I can kick the bag, jump and kick it, and spin and kick it. How is that non-limiting? How hard you can kick it or how well you can keep it under control?
Freestyle has a lot more definition in it. Going around the bag, having it go to both sides of the body, ducking, diving, etc. This really is the non-limiting sport... You are limited only by how much you want to play.
I tried to find something good in blow-chi, I really did... I can't. It seems like way to egotistical of a game by the description. Sure... Footbag has it's egotists, but those people can also help n00bs learn what to do. How do you give advice for kicking a bag around?
OH! One good thing about blow-chi... It uses a footbag...
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