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Intent vs. Impact

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In the vein of all the debate we've seen over the word "gay", the n-word and so forth, I wanted to share a story with you all. I hope to give you some perspective on things. So listen up. I used to give leadership training to college students and this story was a favorite of mine. It's a fun story, and it's enlightening. Please read.

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In February of 1997 or 1998 (don't remember for sure) at a small college in the midwest, a fraternity chapter, who were generally regarded as good guys, decided they wanted to do a charity fundraiser for AIDS research. I'll refer to them as *** from here on. For those of you outside the US and Canada, to give you an idea, Fraternities can be described as men's social clubs at college and university campuses modeled after the underground secret socities of ancient Greece. The guys thought AIDS reserach was a good cause and the event would be good publicity for themselves and for the school.

After throwing out various ideas on what to do, they came up with the idea of a date auction. They would basically have an auction like event where they would auction themselves off to the ladies, and all the money they received would go charity. A win/win/win situation. They'd have a successful charity fundraiser and get dates for themselves in the process. Everything was looking dandy. The guys were pumped.

Now they needed a name for the event. After throwing out several ideas, the chapter voted on one that they thought was pretty creative and pretty humorous. They decided to call the event "The *** Slave Auction" (where *** is the name of their fraternity, as mentioned above). The idea was that they were selling the members off as "slaves". After all, the ladies paid for them, and they got to do what they wanted with them.

And so it was dubbed. A week before the event they created posters that said "The *** Slave Auction" and posted them all over campus.

It only took a few hours for all hell to break loose that day.

You see, this all happened during the month of February. And if you live in the USA, you know that at least here and possibly elsewhere, February is Black History Month. Since there was about a 200+ year period in US History where black people were slaves, as you can imagine a great deal of people were upset by this.

As a matter of fact they were furious. The story made the front page of the school newspaper the next day. It made the evening news... in fact it made the national news. "The *** Slave Auction". All over the press.

Wow. What the heck? How did things go so horribly wrong? How did we go from charity event for AIDS research to almost be kicked off campus in one day?

Let's take a step back. Let's think about things.

What was the fraternity chapter's INTENT?
:arrow: Charity Fundraiser for AIDS research
:arrow: Fun Date Auction event with cool name
:arrow: Good publicity for them and the school
:arrow: Dates for all the guys

What ended up being their IMPACT?
:arrow: Many many people offended
:arrow: Almost kicked off campus
:arrow: BAD publicity all over the news
:arrow: Reputation irrepairably tarnished

Basically, the lesson and my point here is that you have to be aware of your impact on other people. When you make a comment and someone else takes offense, "I didn't mean it that way" or "you're just an easily offended idiot" simply doesn't cut it in the world of mature adults. What you say and what you do has impacts on people whether you like it or not. The important thing is to be conscious of those impacts.

So before you say or do something that someone might take offense to, THINK about it. You know your INTENT, but what could your IMPACT be?
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What I took from this: Guys in fraternities are fucking morons, and people are too sensitive.
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I think Dan's right. I'm in a fraternity, and I am certainly a moron.
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In addition, I am a person, and I am far too sensitive.
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This thread flopped
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i dont think it was supposed to be continued as a discussion. he was just makin a point to not be an asshole even if you are kidding, or serious.
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Post by HighDemonslayer »

Impact, or effect, should matter more than intent.


However the topic of the fundraiser involved, what i am assuming, is a white fratenity holding a slave auction.

Since the issue is apparantly racial in nature.......... logic, reason, rationality, and common sense must ALL be thrown in the garbage.



Find an example where black-white racial tension doesn't play such a prominent role.


note: Has anybody heard about those "Affirmative Action Bake Sales" ?


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there was a gay dude at my school who broke some 3000 dollar camera, and held a bake sale to try and pay for the replacement camera.

he got like 50 bucks.
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Affirmative action bake sales are where peope who oppose affirmative action have bake sales and charge less to minorities to try to smugly prove a point about affirmative action. What they fail to mention is that if it were a perfect analogy, black people would be charged 25 cents for a brownie that white people would pay a dollar for, but before the emancipation proclaimation the same brownie would cost black people $300,000 so the discount offered at present time is almost an insult.

This is not a topic about affirmative action. Let's not get off topic.

The lessons of this topic are 1) think before you act and 2) if everyone thinks you're a douchebag, chances are you only have yourself to blame.
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Post by omnibus »

Cool story. Though I thought it was going to be that the frat schmoes ended up getting highest bids from a gay fraternity and got totally embarrased so they blew up the gay frat house.
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Post by Jeremy »

lol.

But I think intent is often a very important thing to consider as well. For example if I'm driving my car and I fall asleep and collide with a little girl walking on the side of the road and kill her - that's a serious accident and probably I should have my drivers licence revoked.

However if I'm driving my car and I see a little girl walking on the side of my road and I go out of my way to run her down and kill her - that's a serious crime and I probably should go to jail or be forced into some kind of institution where I don't pose a threat to society and I can be helped and have my drivers licence revoked.

In those two examples the impact of my actions is exactly the same - but the intent is completely different. If impact were all that mattered I should face the same consequences for both actions but I don't think that would be genuine justice or a correct responce.
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Sorry, but you're an idiot Ben. If you really think the frat guys did anything wrong, anything wrong at all, then you aren't fit to be thinking. People shouldn't be so easily offended. I can understand being offended at something being called a "Slave Auction", but once the truth came to light about how it was just a poor choose of words (I repeat, frat's are for morons), then this whole thing should have been totally ereased from everyone's memory. This story has no validity in proving anything close to a point. Nice try.
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I think you're missing the point of the story Dan. It's not a question of if they did the wrong thing or not. The point is they thoughtlessly used words that they thought were ok and the consequence of their actions was to be put in a situation which they didn't want to be in - ie. being considered insensitive racists. It turns out that they only made a mistake and were presumably not racists but equally presumably they did not want to be presented as racists on national news. If you show some empathy you will see that being in their position at that time would not have been a good position to be in.

So the moral of the story is to think about the impact of your actions - not just the intent.

You may find the word "gay" to be a completely harmless way of expressing your negative sentiments towards something and have no homophobic intentions when using the word at all but it might equally have the effect of pissing off a gay footbagger who may give up footbag and become a terrorist. Is that something you want to happen? If not you can avoid that by not using the word "gay" - regardless of what your intent is when using that word.
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