Gamma vs Symposium

Faco · Post by **Faco** » 12 Jun 2006 02:50

What is the difference between Gamma and Symposium?

Thanks

cammel · Post by **cammel** » 12 Jun 2006 04:03

some people like to denote which dex is syposium by using greek leters. first dex is alpha, second is beta, third is gamma. I think vasek was hitting gamma barraging illusion in the video that just came out and that means that the illusion was symposium because it was the gamma(third) dex.

Faco · Post by **Faco** » 12 Jun 2006 07:25

So "Backside" and "Frontside" are no longer being used?

slapdash21 · Post by **slapdash21** » 12 Jun 2006 07:36

its a two party system. some people like frontside and backside better, some people like using greek letters to denote which dex is done symp. there have been fairly long debates on the topic.

Zjeezy · Post by **Zjeezy** » 12 Jun 2006 07:48

backside and frontside are usually used for 2 dex tricks where alpha beta and gamma are for 3 dex tricks.

Sporatical_Distractions · Post by **Sporatical_Distractions** » 12 Jun 2006 08:05

fetusmaster wrote:backside and frontside are usually used for 2 dex tricks where alpha beta and gamma are for 3 dex tricks.

I was always under the impression that backside and frontside referred to whether the symp was done uptime or downtime, not necessarily for only 2 dexes (e.g. frontside flurry, backside fury)

dblthnk84 · Post by **dblthnk84** » 12 Jun 2006 09:01

That's probably because most 2 dex moves that only have one of the dexes being symposium have one being uptime and the other downtime.
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Muffinman · Post by **Muffinman** » 12 Jun 2006 14:18

Moved to General Footbag; this has nothing to do with any particular move. Read the rules.

sampotter · Post by **sampotter** » 12 Jun 2006 14:55

Sporatical_Distractions wrote: I was always under the impression that backside and frontside referred to whether the symp was done uptime or downtime, not necessarily for only 2 dexes (e.g. frontside flurry, backside fury)

I believe this is coincidental.

NotHisRealName · Post by **NotHisRealName** » 12 Jun 2006 19:18

Sporatical_Distractions wrote:I was always under the impression that backside and frontside referred to whether the symp was done uptime or downtime, not necessarily for only 2 dexes (e.g. frontside flurry, backside fury)

I was under the same impression.

crazylegs32 · Post by **crazylegs32** » 12 Jun 2006 20:53

Alpha beta gamma is dumb. I think only like 5 people in the world think of moves in those terms.

BalinorNZ · Post by **BalinorNZ** » 12 Jun 2006 21:13

crazylegs32 wrote:Alpha beta gamma is dumb. I think only like 5 people in the world think of moves in those terms.

Actually it's a very logical idea and works well, even if backside and frontside is less complicated and most symp moves involve only 1 or 2 dexs that can be symp anyway.

There are quite a lot of people that use the greak notation, I would say much more than 5.

King Monkey · Post by **King Monkey** » 12 Jun 2006 22:09

Both systems work fine for describing moves textually and verbally, and it only takes a very basic understanding to use these naming systems properly.

I use frontside and backside for 2 dex moves (and sometimes i say frontside flurry haha) and alpha, beta etc for multi dex moves. As far as i know this was their intended purpose.

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 12 Jun 2006 22:22

I always use the greek terms these days. Although there is a strong arguement that there are no moves where the frontside/backside system doesn't logically tell you which dex is symposium, I think the greek system is more specific and easier to use. If somebody says that they just hit backside fusing butterfly twirl - it's probably going to take me a little thought to figure out the swirl dex is the symposium one. However if they say they hit delta fusing butterfly twirl it only takes me an instant to realise that the symp dex is the last one. I think the greek system is especially useful for newer players as they might not realise which moves can be hit symposium etc. So they don't need the same theoretical knowledge that I have from experience to figure out which dex is symposium. For example with the fusing butterfly twirl. That move could theoretically be hit with the second, third or fourth dex symposium. - However apart from the fact that symposium butterfly doesn't get an add (which I think is irrelevent in this discussion) I think it would be really difficult to hit a downtime symposium butterfly twirl - with the butterfly dex symposium - because you've got to complete the dex, land, and then hit an osis - while also putting a reverse swirl in there - not enough time. I've never heard of people hitting a downtime alpha butterfly twirl out of an uptime set but lots of people have hit beta butterfly twirls out of uptime sets.

So for a new player I think it's difficult to work out which of those two dexes would be symposium - however with the greek system they just need to count the dexes and know the first 4 or 5 (

) greek letters.

habitat · Post by **habitat** » 13 Jun 2006 00:35

Jeremy, right when you said downtime symposium butterfly twirl, I thought of Josh Gayhart ...

I think both systems are valid. I wouldn't see anything wrong with saying frontside flurry, it's pretty obvious which dex is symp.

In real life shred, I never use greek, there is no real reason why, I just don't.

Faco · Post by **Faco** » 13 Jun 2006 03:16

I see, thanks for clearning that up. Greek version sounds cool, I will use it. And I'ts more precise and less confusing.

- however with the greek system they just need to count the dexes and know the first 4 or 5 ( ) greek letters.

qphox · Post by **qphox** » 13 Jun 2006 13:44

Jeremy wrote:Although there is a strong arguement that there are no moves where the frontside/backside system doesn't logically tell you which dex is symposium...

Backside Frantic Whirl.
Backside Sailing Doubledown.

etc. etc.

Anyway.

Greek ftw.

Muffinman · Post by **Muffinman** » 13 Jun 2006 16:32

While I admit in examples like Kevin's the greek notation is helpful, I also think when verbalizing, if done properly, the move can be expressed properly. You can use emphasis to depict which part of the move is symposium. For example, BACKSIDE SAILING double down or BACKSIDE frantic whirl. I think it's not too difficult to understand how these would be verbalized, and this is the way that I describe moves. For me, even saying "frantic whirl where the whirl is symposium" feels more convenient than using the greek letters. Moves like sailing double down and frantic whirl alone are so rare that I don't feel that I need to worry about how to refer to them, nevermind their symposium counterparts.

crazylegs32 · Post by **crazylegs32** » 13 Jun 2006 19:14

Anybody can use whatever terms they like. I said it was dumb because I think it sounds nerdy so I was trying to discourage it.

qphox · Post by **qphox** » 13 Jun 2006 23:58

My standpoint is this: The greek system works for all cases. Period.

Why not use it?

crazylegs, realising of course that there's a trick called "Pixie Butterfly".