Child Molesters & Homosexuals

Guest_2 · Post by **Guest_2** » 06 Jun 2006 06:55

Upon realization that there are several child molesters in my neighborhood, and there was a recent escape from a jail by child molester-who was caught again as he was trying to kidnap a couple little girls, I've been thinking of why do we let these horrific people back into society. Is it something that can be cured with jail time?

Is it something that can be cured at all?
IMHO, and maybe there is scientific evidence-Child molesters are like homosexuals in the aspect that it is something that cannot be 'cured'.

Homosexuality was seen as a mental illness just as pedophilia is. Fortunately, we now know you cannot 'cure' a gay person. Pedophiles are incurable and will continue to be a harm to society.

Therefore, should we continue allowing them to commit crimes and attempt rehabilitation-or- should pedophiles just be executed to stop them from continuing to commit these crimes?

sampotter · Post by **sampotter** » 06 Jun 2006 07:21

Are you saying homosexuals are horrific people that should be executed, too? I'm not sure why you're attempting to draw a parallel between child molesters and homosexuals? That's a very narrow way of looking at it, if not completely irrelevant. As far as I know, child molestation stems out of childhood abuse and very poor and abusive childhood relations, though it's completely possible I'm wrong. The internet's a powerful tool, it would take all of three seconds to begin the search to the answer of your question.

I personally don't think execution is warranted in any case.

HighDemonslayer · Post by **HighDemonslayer** » 06 Jun 2006 08:15

pedophilia and homosexuallity are different things. Pedophilia, as a term, is overused, where homo- is perhaps the more accurate term for certain situations.

When a priest gets busted is a good example.
The media loves to slam the church when these sickos are caught, BUT I have NEVER seen a headline, or story describing the priest as gay, or homosexual, he is always a pedophile, even if the age of the victim is past pre-adolescence.

I suspect the same media that bemoans the "pedo-church", would run 1000 stories AGAINST any attempt to prevent gays from joining seminaries, or any attempt to purge (non-violently) the seminaries of gays.

Unless the church is way beyond saving, in that case the media can be gleeful, because it will mean endless "pedophile" stories and lawsuits.

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If the system fails, and judges repeatedly release these monsters back onto our streets, perhaps it should be considered, that after careful verification to prevent mistaken identities, a mob should kick down the door and gun down the child molester.

However, something as harmless as streaking accross a college campus as part of a prank, could land somebody in the offender database and website.
While I am not advocating that action, at this time......

We should at least throw the idea out on the table.

And consider whether any jury would convict the trigger-man who saves our neighborhoods from these "monsters".

But we certainly don't want unjust accusations to lead to spontaneous lynch mobs, like in Indonesia.

-n

Guest_2 · Post by **Guest_2** » 06 Jun 2006 09:42

I meant that homosexuality used to be seen as a sickness

and that this is how pedophiles are seen also.

Maybe it's just the way the people are-and can not be 'fixed'

Bander87 · Post by **Bander87** » 06 Jun 2006 10:22

Sam, I think Josh is comparing homosexulas to child molestors in the sense that they can't be cured, nothing more.

I actually read in the paper today that some sex offenders can get treatment and offend less. This dosn't nessessarly mean they don't have the urge to offend - as they can have the urge but not offend.

I found the article online:
http://unionleader.com/article.aspx?hea ... 96abf2e810

slapdash21 · Post by **slapdash21** » 06 Jun 2006 10:41

eventually if there are enough pedophiles maybe they will get some rights too. go NAMBLA!

sniikeri · Post by **sniikeri** » 06 Jun 2006 12:30

I don't know if pedophilia is caused by the bad experiences in the childhood or a different brain structure (like homosexuality).

The difference between homosexuality and pedophilia is, that homosexuals can choose their partners and both are willing to do it* - the children can't decide and besides aren't mature enough to make the decision.

*presuming that it goes the same way as in heterosexual relationships.

james_dean · Post by **james_dean** » 06 Jun 2006 16:53

Josh, I understand what you were saying, but that was very sloppy wording, just asking for a flame. Comparing homosexuals to child molesters is very tricky ground, pick your words carefully...

I think repeat offenders should be dealt with very harshly. And the idea that incarceration would somehow 'cure' child molesters makes no sense. Whatever, the whole justice system is messed up and it just creates more crime in the end...

'incarceration without rehabilitation really don't mean shit' - OutKast

amen. crims just come out of jail bitter and with more tricks that they learnt in jail.

Iron Clad Ben · Post by **Iron Clad Ben** » 06 Jun 2006 20:09

The death penalty is an entirely different argument which really needs its own topic. Josh I'm surprise you propose it since most of us Jews are against capital (or is it capitol?) punishment.

I say, until we develop a proven "rehabilitation" or "cure" that stops them from being pedophiles forever, lock em up for life.

BainbridgeShred · Post by **BainbridgeShred** » 06 Jun 2006 20:23

I dunno, maybe life if they do it two-three times or something.

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 06 Jun 2006 20:46

I understand the sentiment you were trying to get across and agree with it. Certainly there is a great deal of evidence to back up your claim (basically that pedophilia is not something that can be cured) - there is an excellent award winning documentary called "at home with the Friedmanns" that goes into that very issue through a very personal and specific story. I think it's important to realise though that although pedophilia can't be cured, pedophiles can definitely learn to control their actions and not molester children - just like although I am attracted to lots of women I don't go around raping them and I think the demonising of pedophiles actually makes them much more likely to offend than recognising that they can't help what they are sexually attracted to and that if we support and help them they can learn to behave in a socially acceptable manner.

Recent policy changes in my state have seen a huge reduction in pedophiles reoffending because of a change in policy along the lines that I mentioned. There has been a fantastic change in policy towards criminals in this state - because apparantly 98% of people who went to jail would re offend so by changing from a punitive system to a compassionate system - while still realising that people are a threat to society and that society needs to be protected by them has seen that percentage plummet.

james_dean · Post by **james_dean** » 06 Jun 2006 20:54

Jeremy wrote:Recent policy changes in my state have seen a huge reduction in pedophiles reoffending because of a change in policy along the lines that I mentioned. There has been a fantastic change in policy towards criminals in this state - because apparantly 98% of people who went to jail would re offend so by changing from a punitive system to a compassionate system - while still realising that people are a threat to society and that society needs to be protected by them has seen that percentage plummet.

That's awesome. It's also a scary thought that there's a biological cause to pedophilia

both for the community and the people with those genes

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 06 Jun 2006 21:09

It may not be genetic. There are ads on tv at the moment that say that something like 80% of people who abuse children (both physically and or sexually) were abused as children. So presumably it's more of an evironmental thing rather than a genetic thing. Or actually more likely would be a combination - people who have particular genes and are sexually assualted as children are most likely to become pedophiles. - That last statement is just a theory of mine - I don't know if it's true or not but it's definitely the case in other behavioural things it seems like the best explenation to me.

max · Post by **max** » 07 Jun 2006 03:28

Included in the possible "cures" is the following one: I saw a documentary following theis guy in prison (in for pedophelia related charges) who was willingly following what is called a "chemical castration" to suppress his urges. I think it was mainly pille and injections that drasticly lowers libido. Seemed to work pretty well according to the guy.

As someone else said: I really don't see how prison sentences can actually "cure" anything.

Senor Grommet · Post by **Senor Grommet** » 07 Jun 2006 13:03

Just some food for thought:

It is not a crime to be a pedophile. Pedophiles just have the urge/love for having sexual relations with children. The crime is not to have the urge, but to break the law.

Jail time is not meant to "cure" an inmate, but rather to help him/her realize the consequences for stupid actions they have committed in the past, so that they are not committed again.

It is not "bad" to be a pedophile, it is just different fromwhat we now view as the norm. Pedophilia used to be an accepted societal outlook/course of action.

Splint · Post by **Splint** » 16 Jun 2006 09:16

Senor Grommet wrote:It is not "bad" to be a pedophile, it is just different fromwhat we now view as the norm. Pedophilia used to be an accepted societal outlook/course of action.

I have to disagree with you on that one. I think there are certain things you can say it's not bad to be, but pedophilia isn't really one of them. That's like saying it's not bad to be a homocidal ax murderer...as long as you don't act on it.

Pedophilia is a sickness, whether it's an incurable genetic issue or purely psychologial has yet to be known. Either way, it's not okay. It needs treatment.

As far as sending pedophiles and other sex offenders to jail, I think the sentences aren't nearly strict enough.

BainbridgeShred · Post by **BainbridgeShred** » 16 Jun 2006 10:25

That's like saying it's not bad to be a homocidal ax murderer...as long as you don't act on it.

What's wrong with a homocidal axe murderer who doesn't act on it? As long as he isn't carrying it out, what the fuck do I care?

Bander87 · Post by **Bander87** » 16 Jun 2006 10:41

BainbridgeShred wrote:
That's like saying it's not bad to be a homocidal ax murderer...as long as you don't act on it.
What's wrong with a homocidal axe murderer who doesn't act on it? As long as he isn't carrying it out, what the fuck do I care?

How would you be labeled as a murderer if you never murdered anyone? Getting off topic.

I think we are mixing sexual abusers and pedophiles to closely. Being a pedophile may be genetic, but it's less likely that sexual abusers arn't born that way - refering to what Jeremy said.

Blackend · Post by **Blackend** » 16 Jun 2006 18:14

TheVindicator wrote:Therefore, should we continue allowing them to commit crimes and attempt rehabilitation-or- should pedophiles just be executed to stop them from continuing to commit these crimes?

They've actually got a law in North (or is it South) Caronina where repeat sexual offenders can be put to death. I think several other states have passed a law similar to that.

I think chimo's have something wrong in their heads that makes them have the urge to molest. Then again, this is just my opinion and the fact could be far from my opinion, but studys are suggesting that it's something with the neuropathogens(I'm not even sure if that's a word, I'm just trying to sound smart like those forensic people on CourtTV that I heard about this from) in the brain that is just messed up.

Still, I have no pity for pedophiles. To me, it's just wrong.

I have nothing against homos, though. The same case can probably be applied to them with their brain being goofed up as well, as you are born being a homosexual, you don't just wake up one day and decide that you're gay (although traumatic experiences with the opposite sex have turned some to bat from the other side of the plate, I've heard). To me, homosexualism is wrong as well, as it goes against everything I've been taught to believe about the birds and the bees and whatnot. But, gay people shouldn't be executed, unless they're a gay pedophile. Then do away with them.

funklovesfootbag · Post by **funklovesfootbag** » 22 Jun 2006 02:34

The vast majority of pedophiles are heterosexuals. Sex offenders are rarely rehabilitated, but then again most violent criminals aren't either. Lock em up/kill em off. Pederasses deserve to get their nuts stomped.

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