Amends

Switch Kicker · Post by **Switch Kicker** » 23 Mar 2007 11:30

BainbridgeShred wrote:I have acted rude in the past, but that does not make me an asshole in character. It makes me a confused, hopeless human being.

No... it makes you an asshole. That last sentence there is just an excuse. Your little scapegoat. Are you sure you even went to AA? Or did you just get shit-faced, pass out,and then dream you went to AA? Because you're already taking shortcuts, and not excepting responsibility or the blame for your actions. You're not a confused, hopeless human being. You're a hopeless asshole, who happens to be a human being. And it's becoming abundantly clear, that nothing will ever change that, not even AA.

PegLegHolly · Post by **PegLegHolly** » 23 Mar 2007 11:56

Switch Kicker wrote:
BainbridgeShred wrote:I have acted rude in the past, but that does not make me an asshole in character. It makes me a confused, hopeless human being.
No... it makes you an asshole. That last sentence there is just an excuse. Your little scapegoat. Are you sure you even went to AA? Or did you just get shit-faced, pass out,and then dream you went to AA? Because you're already taking shortcuts, and not excepting responsibility or the blame for your actions. You're not a confused, hopeless human being. You're a hopeless asshole, who happens to be a human being. And it's becoming abundantly clear, that nothing will ever change that, not even AA.

fred and chris. you need to just back off and let whatever happens, happen. if you dont care for him or his life, then why do you care so much to talk down to him? you two are no better than he is. cant you just let a man be? everyone has the right to make mistakes, but just because you make mistakes doesnt mean youre an asshole.

and you have no idea about whats changing in his life. aa has obviously changed his using habits... character change doesnt come until after youve finished all 12 steps. youre expecting change in someone who is just now working on step 4. he said in his first post that it wasnt an attempt to work on step 8 but more of a heads up that hes trying to change. you two dont deserve amends...

and another thing... amends doesnt mean that someone is going to forgive you. amends is just letting that person know youre changing. a lot of people wont forgive you, and thats alright. its not for them.. its for you. fuck anyone who wants to hold you back.

BainbridgeShred · Post by **BainbridgeShred** » 23 Mar 2007 12:08

Ahhhh I'm totally going to take a screenshot of this and put it on a Tshirt. That way, whenever I see you at tournaments I can remind you of it, long after you've forgotten about AA.

My love for you has nothing to do with AA. It has to do with my spirituality, and I've been a practicing Christian (In name) for the last two or three years. Sobriety has simply deepened my relationship with my higher power 100 fold, and I'm beggining or atleast trying to start actually acting on my convictions now with a clear mind.

BainbridgeShred · Post by **BainbridgeShred** » 23 Mar 2007 12:16

like the kid who posted a paper asking for help in the homework section and you ripped him apart as a person.

I think that kid deserves an apology more than anyone else, for presenting an honest attempt at prose in an online forum, and having a sick individual make fun of him for it. He reacted like a man too if I remember correctly, and didn't freak out and start flaming me. I have something to learn from him, rather him from me.

Splint · Post by **Splint** » 23 Mar 2007 14:35

Chris and Switch, you guys are being complete fucking assholes. Who cares what Dan is doing or what step he's on? Maybe he's genuine, maybe not. Time and action will tell. The extent to which you are going in order to rip him up in this thread shows you have more in common with him than you probably thought.

Dan's made himself vulnerable by creating this thread and has pretty much left himself that way and has agreed to his mistakes. Dan has torn you apart in the past and the reality is he could probably flip a switch and do it again in a heartbeat because he's THAT good at it, but he isn't doing it. GET OVER IT! Move on. Lord knows I've had serious problems with Dan and often times never took his apologies seriously. I made my thoughts known and moved on. 3 pages worth of shit in this thread though???? Kinda juvenile.

shredzilla · Post by **shredzilla** » 23 Mar 2007 18:58

Splint wrote:Chris and Switch, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Blah blah blah.

Sorry, I didn't bother to read your comment because you're an idiot that I will probably never give credence to.

Zac Jackson · Post by **Zac Jackson** » 23 Mar 2007 19:46

Sorry, I didn't bother to read your comment because you're an idiot that I will probably never give credence to.

you just proved what he just said,

Splint wrote:Kinda juvenile.

this is just a hackey forum guys cmon.
arguing on here is getting you no where. and continueing to argue is simply unneeded

and props to dan for trying to turn his life around

peace,

Splint · Post by **Splint** » 23 Mar 2007 23:26

shredzilla wrote:
Splint wrote:Chris and Switch, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Blah blah blah.
Sorry, I didn't bother to read your comment because you're an idiot that I will probably never give credence to.

Yer stoopid!

james_dean · Post by **james_dean** » 24 Mar 2007 00:03

How sad, Chris. I gave you the benefit of the doubt twice before, I guess I shouldn't have. Yours, and Fred's behaviour in this thread has been pathetic. Why would you demean and undermine someone trying to change themselves so much. Do you get off on it or something? Luckily Dan isn't buying into it.

james_dean · Post by **james_dean** » 24 Mar 2007 01:10

Wow, that post sounded really high and mighty. Unintended.

HG · Post by HG » 24 Mar 2007 06:43

this is fucked up. i wish chris and fred would just leave him alone.

you can do it dan

BainbridgeShred · Post by **BainbridgeShred** » 24 Mar 2007 09:18

Thanks Henry, I hope you're right.

Don't worry about anything those two are saying though. I think it has only spawned a bunch more positive PM's and replies, and is strengthening my resolve. I'm not even kidding when I say how much your support means to me. Thanks everyone.

Sporatical_Distractions · Post by **Sporatical_Distractions** » 24 Mar 2007 11:15

What you're doing is great. If only we could all be so fortunate to go back and make amends with those we've offended.

Stay strong brother

Been staring at this screen for awhile and I don't even know what to say to Switchkicker

Switch Kicker · Post by **Switch Kicker** » 25 Mar 2007 11:15

Splint wrote:
shredzilla wrote:
Splint wrote:Chris and Switch, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Blah blah blah.
Sorry, I didn't bother to read your comment because you're an idiot that I will probably never give credence to.

Yer stoopid!

I lol'd.

You people would give a 7x convicted child molester who enjoys deer sex a chance...

Dan has made several attempts (If you can even call them attempts,more like ideas he didn't really think through before announcing he was going to do them...) similar to this in the past, and always, ALWAYS goes back to the same old Dan.

And thank you, Holly, for pointing out what I already made clear. I don't deserve an amend, I don't expect an amend, and I don't want an amend.

cammel · Post by **cammel** » 25 Mar 2007 12:13

I never thought that i would side with dan on anything, but from reading this i have to got with henry and jameson on this one. you two are being dicks. if you dont think hes being honest or actually trying then just shut up and let this thread die, and no one will have to look at it.

props if youre actually trying to change yourself dan.

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 25 Mar 2007 16:56

While I certainly wish Dan all the best with his recovery, contrary to the claims put forward in this topic, AA has the same rate of effectiveness for giving up substances as not going to AA. Ie. statistically speaking, you have the same rate of being able to quit a habit if you don't go to AA or if you do go to AA. On the other hand, criminals who give up substances are significantly more likely to commit further crimes if they go to AA than if they give up cold turkey.

The scientific evidence actually shows that you're most likely to be able to quit a substance if you make a numerous legitimate efforts to quit and if you quit for personal reasons, rather than the method you choose to help you quit. There is a great article about it here;

http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-effectiveness.html

There is no doubt that AA works for a small percentage of people, just like every method of quiting works for a small percentage of people. What's more important is that you make it work for you, and if it doesn't work, that you try again, and keep trying until you do give up your addictions.

Splint · Post by **Splint** » 26 Mar 2007 07:36

Switch Kicker wrote: You people would give a 7x convicted child molester who enjoys deer sex a chance...

Yes, we'd forgive you too.

Dan has made several attempts (If you can even call them attempts,more like ideas he didn't really think through before announcing he was going to do them...) similar to this in the past, and always, ALWAYS goes back to the same old Dan.

I made this point. Even so, we need to get over the fact that Dan has been a douche. You made a few jabs and Dan took them without attacking you further. I think that's reason enough to let this one go. If Dan goes back to "same old Dan", then you can post a big fat "I told you so" thread. Until then, get over it and let this thread be.

Slowsis · Post by **Slowsis** » 26 Mar 2007 10:48

Anyone who is STILL offended by whatever Dan might have done in the past must have serious self-esteem issues. Get over it you weak-minded losers, he dissed lots of people and you aren't special.

Tsiangkun · Post by **Tsiangkun** » 26 Mar 2007 15:05

shredzilla wrote:Still, I think you should've held off on even calling this thread 'amends' since you were clearly making the reference to the 8th step in AA.

Colin · Post by **Colin** » 26 Mar 2007 16:25

For the record...

Colin wrote:Jesus, that explains everything. I was under the impression that you were a worthless asshole, but it turns out you're just a teenager. Don't worry - it'll pass.

I CALLED IT!!! Best wishes Dan. You're smarter than your demons. Kill 'em.

The inner demons, I mean. Don't kill Chris or Fred.