bag question

circle_kicker · Post by **circle_kicker** » 07 Apr 2007 16:27

i just got into footbag and even more resently got into stitching bags, i am haveing one problem though, in all the bags with more than 4 pannels the fabric in between the stitches pucker up out of the bag. please help!!!

sanuke okumatzu · Post by **sanuke okumatzu** » 07 Apr 2007 16:31

Post a picture if you can. Are you using a running stitch, or a loop stitch? The stitching should go like this:

- - - -

It shouldn't loop over the fabric, which sounds like what you're doing.

circle_kicker · Post by **circle_kicker** » 07 Apr 2007 16:35

by the way its in a 12 pannel

Wasabi · Post by **Wasabi** » 07 Apr 2007 16:35

Your stitches are probably too big on both sides for the gather to steadily compress evenly. Try to make them consistent through the overall layout of your stitching path.

Another case could be that you're not stabbing the needle straight through into both of the panels. Hold your panels with much more firmness, and don't allow the needle to slide/slip unevenly. You want your panels controlled when stitching each side.

circle_kicker · Post by **circle_kicker** » 07 Apr 2007 17:02

how many stitches per pannel

Wasabi · Post by **Wasabi** » 07 Apr 2007 17:13

12 panels are weird in their own way. They could have 3 or 4 stitches on any one side of the panel if you're reminiscent to stitching 32s often. It just depends on your stitching path.

Roy Bradish had a unique (and pretty consistent) way of stitching 12 panels. You can PM him for further details.

Roy · Post by **Roy** » 07 Apr 2007 17:25

Wasabi wrote: Roy Bradish had a unique (and pretty consistent) way of stitching 12 panels. You can PM him for further details.

Yes you can.

Also, make sure you are stitching deep enough onto the panel. Too shallow stitching can result in panels that flip over the end.
There is a kind of give between deepness of stitching and length of stitches:
smaller stitches = closer to edge of panel, without the panels flipping out.

Sometimes this can be avoided in 32s by using two different thickness of material between the hexs and pents, but since this is a 12 the thicknesses should be pretty close.

Wasabi · Post by **Wasabi** » 07 Apr 2007 17:27

Forgot to note shallowness!

I suck at explaining stitching on the internet.

yippy · Post by **yippy** » 07 Apr 2007 17:39

haha this happened to one my panels in my first 12 panel, but unfortunately I recked it, I have no idea what to do on the last panel

when I tried flipping it inside out the stitching ripped through the panels

circle_kicker · Post by **circle_kicker** » 07 Apr 2007 18:05

thanks, that really helps, one more question, should i single thread the needle or double it up?

Wasabi · Post by **Wasabi** » 07 Apr 2007 18:22

If you're using nylon upholstery or any other strong thread, single or double are both good. Single will allow the panels to move more freely.

With floss, you are forced to double thread only, and it makes the panels feel much more constrictive, but also much more defined. Accuracy in your stitches is necessary to make your stitches look nice throughout the whole panel.

Depends on your fancy. I use floss, so I'm used to double threading.

DanJohnHarris · Post by **DanJohnHarris** » 07 Apr 2007 20:23

Yo,
I don't know how you use floss, but i pull it off with single stitching.

THE DAN JOHN HARRIS SINGLE FLOSS LENGTH MANUAL
(a step by step booklet for you to get)

1.) After threading the eye, move the needle about 3 inches along the floss.
2.)Fold the floss at the eye so the two lengths of floss meet.
3.)Hold the needle in one hand, and spin it while holding the short section against the long one, so that they stick together to become 'one'. Spin it way more than you think you should until they can't spin no more.
4.) Pinch your fingernails against the tip of the needle and run them down the length of the 'one', while squeezing. This will: a.) undo all spinniness and b.) remove all the wax from this short length of doublefloss. That will make sure it doesn't make a 'fat' hole.

Just don't keep stitching when you get to 3 inches of floss.

Wasabi · Post by **Wasabi** » 07 Apr 2007 20:29

I usually burn the tips after I'm done stitching, and I don't like to do any cross ties before I'm burning the tip when I'm done stitching a panel. I guess I used the wrong terminology for it.

It's just not as comfortable when you're using it like regular thread imo.

edit: I'm also not a huge fan of the wax on floss, just to add.

DanJohnHarris · Post by **DanJohnHarris** » 08 Apr 2007 01:51

I don't like the wax either, but is it the only reason we can burn the ends anyway?

Wasabi · Post by **Wasabi** » 09 Apr 2007 10:50

No, but it makes the melting process much easier. Without it, it's likely to get a crackily black crust bulb instead of something much more manageable.