Today's rap or hiphop, is GARBAGE!!!

[Switch Kicker]

hahah great post David. The lyrics look sooo much stupider when you write them all out like that too haha

Another agreement from me that what they call 'hip hop' now is complete trash.

Are the Hilltop Hoods big in the USA? They fuckin rule

Afraid not. I had to get them off ebay and some other sites that aren't used a lot in the US. They aren't sold anywhere in the US that I know of, and they are most definately not played on any radio stations here. Hilltop Hoods does kick ass though. There's like, only 2 songs that I don't like from them, simply because I didn't like the beats. Their lyrics are always good though. Still hooked on City of Light, lol.

Normally, I just download music off LimeWire. But I had to have their CDs, simply because I like them so much, and I didn't want to rip them off of their album sales, they're just way too good.

I saw something else today that reminded me of how much I hate mainstream rap/hiphop. You always see these stupid symbols, that these fakes wear, and in these crazy symbols, they always put the same fuckin' word. Respect. Respect, what? The only person that wears something like that, that I've actually respected, is Missy. For several reasons. She's a good artist, at least with a good number of her songs, and she's got her own line of Adidas footwear.

And I'm not strictly hiphop. I love many many genres of music. For example. On a rainy day, with nothing to do, nothing beats Dave Mirra 2 on the GameCube (Actually played on the Wii. ) with Summertime by Sublime playing in the background. And Metallica is still, and always will be amazing. There's so many other groups too. But hiphop is the really the one thing that's gone down the shitter as far as the radio's concerned.

Anyone ever seen those "Ask for more art" commercials? Where there's a girl that sits there and tells her mother, who's doing gardening, that plastic flowers last longer, she turns the radio from music to news, and then asks her dad to read a dictionary to her at night. Well I think they should make a commercial with the same message, but it should be a kid, changing the radio, from good music, like Killer Queen, to something like, Does Your Chain Hang Low... Arts, ask for more.

[Jeremy]

Do you think, and I'm just putting this out there, what you're actually seeing is the tendency for every generation to think that their music is the best and that the next generations are not as good?

There's no doubt that today we're seeing much faster cultural changes than we've seen in the past, and do you think it could be that many of the people in this topic are stuck with their favourite music, and the main reason you don't like the next generation of music is because you're not part of the culture?

I don't know if this is the case. I certainly have very few active bands and groups that I like, almost all the music I listen to is at least a few years old, so I am as guilty of not liking the next generation as anybody else. My question is, is the music worse, or are we judging it on the fact that it's not the kind of music we identified with?

[King Monkey]

I think some of the frustration in terms of hip hop is that this pop-rap bling bling bullshit is marketed as 'hip hop'. The artists claim thats what they are about, the marketers claim it etc etc. It strikes a nerve however because they are claiming that their music is hip hop in the same as way as the Hoods or De La Soul or Tribe Called Quest are hip hop. Which it just isnt, IMO.
So its not so much the 'oldies' not liking the new kind of music, its the new kids claiming they are producing music that is the same as that which the 'oldies' enjoy.

[Jeremy]

Sure, but I guess when you look at other older genres of music you see people who have evolved that genre, and many "puritans" who didn't like the changes. Jazz is a fantastic example, where you had the big change into "modern jazz", and many people of the time disliked it, saying it wasn't music etc. Today, when we've lived after the evolution, we don't feel that way, but we see the value in both the old jazz and the "new" jazz.

How do you think people will feel, looking back on hip-hop and rap 50 years from now? Will they feel the same away about its lack of quality, or will they see it as evolution of the genre, and just change, rather than anything negative?

[Cass]

Do you think, and I'm just putting this out there, what you're actually seeing is the tendency for every generation to think that their music is the best and that the next generations are not as good?

In my case, no. I'm only 17 and i've basically grown up with modern so called 'hip hop' and pop music. I used to like it, but as I grew up a little and matured I realized that its not a great as I had once thought. Now, the majority of music that i listen to came out when I was a child, or before I was even born.

[ObArA'BaRs]

I like Swollen members. They try to prove a point and tell a story.
Immortal Technique I used to like before I figured out how bias and ignorent they were.
Rap is mainly for the ignorent and non-empathetical(is that a word?) who beleive in low to no moral values.Maybe not all rap but the majority of it.
They try to talk about god, killing, and raping people at the same time. Maybe theres a point to all of it that I dont see or something?

[Switch Kicker]

Do you think, and I'm just putting this out there, what you're actually seeing is the tendency for every generation to think that their music is the best and that the next generations are not as good?

There's no doubt that today we're seeing much faster cultural changes than we've seen in the past, and do you think it could be that many of the people in this topic are stuck with their favourite music, and the main reason you don't like the next generation of music is because you're not part of the culture?

I don't know if this is the case. I certainly have very few active bands and groups that I like, almost all the music I listen to is at least a few years old, so I am as guilty of not liking the next generation as anybody else. My question is, is the music worse, or are we judging it on the fact that it's not the kind of music we identified with?

This idea runs through my head alot. And I can see why you'd think that. But really, the answer's no. I enjoy a very large library of music, except Country, and this crap they play on the radio now. I enjoy alot of the new music that's out. MCR, Fallout Boys, and many many other new groups that are out.

There's a difference between a change in culture, and whatever you would call this. All they talk about, is how big their chain is, how shinny it is, how much money they have, how many bitches they have, how many cars they roll in, and all I hear is, "I'm a fucking loser that contributes NOTHING to society, because all I do is use worthless words to get money, that I spend on pointless shit, that actually HURTS our economy." The average person, can not just talk about money/sex/drugs and become rich from it. The world would fall apart. And that's what these so called rappers talk about. Gettin' rich, and a bunch of other shit. Shit, that will just make you fuck up your life. Being more concerned about being icy, rather than next months water bill. I've seen it happen too.

Again, that's a thought that crosses my mind alot too, maybe I'm just turning into my dad. But no, I'm not. Because I enjoy the new music that's out, but I don't enjoy garbage. And that's what this is. It's not a new style of music, or anything with a new message to fans... It's, GARBAGE. It means, nothing. Therefore, it should be worth, NOTHING. But no, idiot kids, with idiotic and fucked up interests/priorities take this shit literally, because they're stupid, and their parents, are even more stupid, for letting their kids, get this STUPID.

You know, it really is amazing... My head might possibly be able to explode, by the astonishment, that has been instilled in me. How tasteless, and meaningless, has everything become? I don't think negative numbers can go that low.

[ObArA'BaRs]

Thats my exact thoughts. Thank you for writing this conclusion.

[wolfpac444]

I enjoy alot of the new music that's out. MCR, Fallout Boys, and many many other new groups that are out.

I think that more than anything, you're really just highlighting how subjective musical taste can be.

[Switch Kicker]

I enjoy alot of the new music that's out. MCR, Fallout Boys, and many many other new groups that are out.

I think that more than anything, you're really just highlighting how subjective musical taste can be.

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[wolfpac444]

I don't think that you'd have to try very hard to find many people that think that bands like My Chemical Romance and Fall Out Boy are GARBAGE!!!

Since you don't exactly have a privileged position when it comes to music criticism, it is difficult to believe your argument that today's rap is objectively bad. You may not like that sort of music, but I find it silly to criticize others for the for the music they choose to make or the music they choose to listen to.

[BainbridgeShred]

What's going on in Rap today is the same thing that happened to Jazz in the 1940's. It went from the Socially Conscious stuff of the Depression 30's to the more feel good Be-Bop dance music of the 1940's. Rap has been around now for 4 decades, going on 5, and isn't going anywhere. As far as how it will be looked on 50 years from now, it will be the same way as Jazz in that kids are still playing the Trumpet and Trombone today, and 50 years from now kids will still be making beats on keyboards with computers.

A lot of good rap is being put out, and a lot of good rap is being played on the radio and BET.

I think some of the frustration in terms of hip hop is that this pop-rap bling bling bullshit is marketed as 'hip hop'. The artists claim thats what they are about, the marketers claim it etc etc. It strikes a nerve however because they are claiming that their music is hip hop in the same as way as the Hoods or De La Soul or Tribe Called Quest are hip hop. Which it just isnt, IMO.

What strikes a nerve with me is when people from Australia tell me what real "hip-hop" is. Hip hop is a cultural movement involving all 4 elements, of which rap is the musical angle. Just because it isn't DLS, OR ATCQ and just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not hip hop.

[Tsiangkun]

I think the Hip-Pop being put out right now sucks.

But whatever, this used to be cool


And now it's all about ghostriding the whip.

[dp]

Normally, I just download music off LimeWire. But I had to have their CDs, simply because I like them so much, and I didn't want to rip them off of their album sales, they're just way too good.

If you buy it off ebay the band isn't getting supported.

[BainbridgeShred]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QZ4d44oQbkQ

Hahahahaha

"Kinda crazy right now. Let me see them charts right now."

"I aint no brokeback, no cpr
you might TiVo the episode or vcr,
press rewind and say jay-z kissed a man,
im just tryna save his life listen"

that shit is fire

[jrstubs]

1. Nonstandard except in some dialects. am not; are not; is not.
2. Nonstandard. have not; has not; do not; does not; did not.

—Usage note As a substitute for am not, is not, and are not in declarative sentences, ain't is more common in uneducated speech than in educated, but it occurs with some frequency in the informal speech of the educated, especially in the southern and south-central states. This is especially true of the interrogative use of ain't I? as a substitute for the formal and—to some—stilted am I not? or for aren't I?, considered by some to be ungrammatical, or for the awkward—and rare in American speech—amn't I? Some speakers avoid any of the preceding forms by substituting Isn't that so (true, the case)? Ain't occurs in humorous or set phrases: Ain't it the truth! She ain't what she used to be. It ain't funny. The word is also used for emphasis: That just ain't so! It does not appear in formal writing except for deliberate effect in such phrases or to represent speech. As a substitute for have not or has not and—occasionally in Southern speech—do not, does not, and did not, it is nonstandard except in similar humorous uses: You ain't heard nothin' yet!

[King Monkey]

I think some of the frustration in terms of hip hop is that this pop-rap bling bling bullshit is marketed as 'hip hop'. The artists claim thats what they are about, the marketers claim it etc etc. It strikes a nerve however because they are claiming that their music is hip hop in the same as way as the Hoods or De La Soul or Tribe Called Quest are hip hop. Which it just isnt, IMO.

What strikes a nerve with me is when people from Australia tell me what real "hip-hop" is. Hip hop is a cultural movement involving all 4 elements, of which rap is the musical angle. Just because it isn't DLS, OR ATCQ and just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not hip hop.

heheh yeh i didnt say any more on the topic because im not involved in any of the elements enough to speak with any authority. I knew someone would call me out
I didnt tell you what 'real hip hop is'. I was trying to make a comparison. I understand that hip hop is not just rhyming and encompasses other disciplines, but it is frustrating that the people producing this pop-rap stuff try to put themselves on the same level or circle as the groups i mentioned, or like Jurassic 5, Pharcyde etc. They often claim to 'be hip hop' when the message they are communicating seems much departed from those they compare themselves to, and their contribution to the genre is to make some average rhymes about re-hashed ideas and sell a million copies.

I dont see why my country of origin has anything to do with this discussion either. The USA doesnt own hip hop. My geographical location doesnt affect my ability to appreciate or discuss the music.
To throw in a cheesy quote that is more likely to get me in more trouble: 'Hip hop's a mind-state, not an area code' - NFA

[Jeremy]

You have to remember Ian that Americans are stereotyped as thinking their country is the best and most important at everything. Certainly the stereotype isn't true, but I don't think everybody got the message.

[smokefree]

Theres tons of good rap these days. Theres no use whining about whats on tv because obviously it sucks and theres no use crying over spilled milk, just salvage what you can from the genre.

ps: did I read correctly or did someone really say that they enjoyed fallout boy and mcr?

[BainbridgeShred]

lol jeremy what are you even talking about? hahaha