Equipment Myths

HG · Post by HG » 06 Jul 2007 11:13

Alright, I just wanna get something off my chest.

Here are some myths about footbag equipment that I feel aren't true.

1. The Mr. Sandbag is a good beginner bag. or also The Mr. Sandbag is really stallable

In my opinion, the Mr. Sandbag is a worthless bag. It is too light, too slippery, and not really that stallable due to those two traits. It would be much better for a noob to get a 32 panel from a respected stitcher. It will be more stallable off the bat and break in to be infinite times better than a Mr. Sandbag.

2. Its hard to play in new shoes

I feel its actually harder to play in older shoes. I just switched from beat in, broken in lavers to brand new ones. After taking the canvas out of the inside and the toe, they play much better than my old ones. There is more of the sole, so you are more stable, and they just feel more sturday (yeah that's right, sturday) and playable than older broken in shoes.

Feel free to add to the list of myths, or argue with me about the ones i came up with.

Post by **Zac Miley** » 06 Jul 2007 11:20

HG wrote:
2. Its hard to play in new shoes

I feel its actually harder to play in older shoes. I just switched from beat in, broken in lavers to brand new ones. After taking the canvas out of the inside and the toe, they play much better than my old ones. There is more of the sole, so you are more stable, and they just feel more sturday (yeah that's right, sturday) and playable than older broken in shoes.

Disagree.

My favorite lavers are wayyyyy torn up. They actually are duct taped together (kinda).

I have another pair of blue lavers that are in a smaller size (the right size) but are a bit newer. I like my other ones better.

Then I have some pretty much brand new modded twill lavers that I just flat out don't like, they just seem too heavy and stuff compared to my broken in ones.

But I guess it doesn't really matter what shoes you play in... I don't even know why I'm posting this.

jrstubs · Post by **jrstubs** » 06 Jul 2007 12:40

I have to agree with Henry on the first one. I couldn't hit anything until I started stitching my own 32s.

I disagree with the second one - It takes about a month for my lavers to break in, and while they are THEY SUCK, and I cant hit anything easily. Too siff and uncomfortable.

Nathan · Post by **Nathan** » 06 Jul 2007 12:42

3. steel shot is good.

no it's not.

ObArA'BaRs · Post by **ObArA'BaRs** » 06 Jul 2007 12:47

TRUE THAT.

Wasabi · Post by **Wasabi** » 06 Jul 2007 13:12

... I like steel shot...

richardabshire · Post by **richardabshire** » 06 Jul 2007 13:23

Steel shot is okay if it is used with tungsten. The tungsten is a denser metal and will keep the steel polished and prevents it from rusting. The ratio iI have found to work best is steel size 7 and tungsten size 9. Use about 20% of the steel and 80% of the tungsten for the correct ratio. Steel by itself will rust after the first washing and stain the bag. I am gong backwards with this post. Old shoes, trash them asap. It doesn't matter how worn the tops are if the soles are still even and bouncy. I shred on mats and the tops wear out much faster than the soles. It is like have new and old shoes at the same time. Sandbags are good for all levels of play, but when you know what you like, then preference comes into play. Most newbies love sandbags because after playing with a sipa, or something like it, a sandbag is a dream. I prefer 32s over anything out there, but in order for the sport to grow, we need bags in stores where future players can find them with ease and then find the sport and that leads to 32s. Just a thought, Richard Abshire

Wasabi · Post by **Wasabi** » 06 Jul 2007 14:11

richardabshire wrote:Steel shot is okay if it is used with tungsten. The tungsten is a denser metal and will keep the steel polished and prevents it from rusting. The ratio iI have found to work best is steel size 7 and tungsten size 9. Use about 20% of the steel and 80% of the tungsten for the correct ratio.

This is quite true. I have a 32 in which I filled to about this ratio, and the steel shot is polished with no rust. However, having its plating worn off, I tend to find the density of the Tungsten decreasing drastically after every wash (I've stated before that unplated Tungsten tends to release a flood of black gunk with each wash). It's non-toxic, so no worries. It's beneficial yet disadvantageous for people who like to keep their bags at a constant weight, though.

dp · Post by dp » 06 Jul 2007 14:47

Henry, I disagree with first one to a point. Sure a very good, broken in, well made 32 panel is pretty much always better than a Mr. Sandbag in every way. However, not only is it hard to get a bag to that point quickly, it's even harder for somebody new to footbag that doesn't know how to break in bags. I've been playing for a year and a half and still can't break in bags really well. For that reason I always recommend Mr. Sandbags for beginners because the stalling in the beginning is way better than the stalling in the beginning of a 32, and new people don't need the best equipment, they need to have fun so they'll keep doing it.

Muffinman · Post by **Muffinman** » 06 Jul 2007 15:18

I agree partially with the Mr Sandman one. I just noticed this semi-recently when I gave a bag to my brother's friend... it is really light and slippery. I guess maybe by today's standards it has been outdated... a Cuddle bag makes such a huge difference (GREAT weight and feel, and just as durable, and not slippery!) and I found was a great transition between Mr. Sandman bags and 32s, just like they claim (I think?)

Slowsis · Post by **Slowsis** » 06 Jul 2007 15:39

Mr Sandbags are necessary for the sport of footbag to grow, if only because they are trickable enough for a new player, and you can buy them easily and cheaply. A new play might not have the money or contact info to be able to buy a choice 32, but if a member of their local club ordered a 10 or 20 pack of sand bags, then they have an affordable option to use while they are deciding if footbag is for them.

P.S. I hate playing with sand bags, but Cuddles are sweet!!! Buy Cuddlebags for your local n00bs!!!!

Blue_turnip · Post by **Blue_turnip** » 07 Jul 2007 06:34

Agree with the first. Sandbags are teh gay for the aforementioned reasons.

Older shoes are usually better, providing the soles aren't worn out and they're not falling apart.

Psilocybe · Post by **Psilocybe** » 07 Jul 2007 06:42

Sandbags also, because of the way the weight is distributed, will sometimes half-stall but then fall off because some of the weight wasn't on the shoe. The sand that isn't stalled will drag down the rest of it, resulting in a drop.

And as you said, they're just too damn light. You really can't even feel the bag make contact with your foot.

jay7 · Post by **jay7** » 07 Jul 2007 17:22

I don't want to make this a direct statement that I claim is true, I'd rather see if anyone has had the same experience as me.

I played with walled lavers, and could do alot of pixie stuff. I switch to Clima's for a WEEK, and then notice my pixies get better. I figure "I just have bad form with them". So, then, I switch to walled lavers again for the bad form I thought I had, and my pixies were even higher and more consistant than with the climas.

Anyone?

beenjammin · Post by **beenjammin** » 08 Jul 2007 15:34

Myth or not?
The removal of the toe wall is an easier more effective way of hitting pixies.
Fact or fiction?

Psilocybe · Post by **Psilocybe** » 08 Jul 2007 16:28

Well, thats a fact I guess. But your form might suffer. Removing the walls can lead to lazier pixies. The wall can keep your form in check.

ObArA'BaRs · Post by **ObArA'BaRs** » 08 Jul 2007 16:59

black noir is a shitty facil color

It feels super suple/thick and soft to me.

Nathan · Post by **Nathan** » 08 Jul 2007 18:03

hitting pixies without walls is more efficient the same way hitting nemesis without dexes is.

if its more efficient, you're doing pixies wrong.

Wasabi · Post by **Wasabi** » 08 Jul 2007 19:25

Black Noir is strong. Very strong. It's also very stiff, yet thin as well. It's not supple at all. Dark Jade is supple. Cedar Berry is supple. White is supple, but I haven't bought that color yet. Black Noir is like Colonial Red, except the fibers and the dye job is what makes it pretty stiff.

I like Black Noir as well.

Pale Yellow and ANY Paisely are shitty.

gMoney · Post by **gMoney** » 03 Aug 2007 18:50

HG wrote:2. Its hard to play in new shoes

I feel its actually harder to play in older shoes. I just switched from beat in, broken in lavers to brand new ones. After taking the canvas out of the inside and the toe, they play much better than my old ones. There is more of the sole, so you are more stable, and they just feel more sturday (yeah that's right, sturday) and playable than older broken in shoes.

I didn't believe this to be true until I just bought my second pair of lavers. It's like I got better overnight when I first played in them.

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