Footbag Perception

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A very interesting little article I just read on-line:

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I wonder if any of this could relate to footbag. It does seem at least a little bit different, as the speed and flight of a footbag probably doesn't vary nearly as much as major league pitches, but I've sometimes suspected that certain physical abilities may depend on how well one sees things moving through space, and that I don't tend to see things especially well. I'd surmise that this is why I feel more comfortable with tricks that require really stalling the bag and holding still, or stalling the bag and keeping it on my foot for somewhat extended period as my foot moves (as opposed to moves where my feet quickly circle around the bag in the air), since this means that my eyes don't have to do as much discerning of precise movements through space of the bag or my legs.
Secret to Baseball's Best Hitters Revealed
Barry Bonds has his eyes on home-run history, but exactly why some pros excel at keeping their eyes on the ball has remained a baseball marvel until now.

Deciphering curveballs from fastballs and balls from strikes requires that a player's eyes precisely lock onto the ball, as described in recently published research on humans' ability to track balls and other moving objects.


"Our results show that individuals vary tremendously in this ability to lock their eyes onto a moving object, called smooth pursuit, and that this variation relates strongly to a specific type of motion perception ability, so-called high-level motion perception," said study co-author and University of Pennsylvania cognitive psychologist Jeremy Wilmer.


Tracking bodies in motion


Humans use two skills to see bodies in motion. First, our eyes first need to catch up to a moving object, a skill called low-level motion perception, when we sense something fluttering before we can recognize exactly what it is. Next, high-level motion perception occurs, at which point our eyes lock on, identify and examine the object.


Wilmer and his colleagues conducted two tests on the low- and high-level motion perception abilities of 45 participants. In one test, study participants were unable to move their eyes and had to describe the speed at which they saw objects zooming by. The second test tracked the movement of people's eyes and measured their ability to follow moving objects.


Some volunteers excelled at low-level motion perception and easily caught up to a moving object with their eyes—they perceived motion more quickly out of the starting block. Meanwhile, a different group of volunteers exhibited more skill at high-level motion perception and were better at locking onto a moving target once their eyes caught up to it (smooth pursuit).


The two different aspects of perceiving motion drive different stages of smooth pursuit, Wilmer said.


High-level perception is key


The distinct brain mechanisms for high-level motion perception are separate from those used to recognize and analyze color, faces and even low-level motion perception, Wilmer said.


"Our experience of the world normally appears quite seamless, but in fact our brain sees many aspects separately and knits them together into one experience of the world," he said. "Our study shows that substantial differences exist between individuals. As with most abilities, presumably an individual's skill at smooth pursuit is due to some combination of their genes and experiences."


Batters with a heightened ability at high-level perception may have eyes better skilled at locking onto and smoothly pursuing a pitch, and could especially have an advantage in analyzing a baseball's spin during the first third of a ball's trajectory, says Wilmer.


Wilmer's results, detailed in a recent issue of the journal Neuron, suggest that training focused on high-level motion perception could possibly improve a player's ability to lock onto and analyze an oncoming pitch.


However, he says, it's not yet known whether the trait runs in families and whether "particular genes contribute to making one a smooth pursuit expert."


Pursuit of human objects


Of course, locking onto moving objects is important for others besides ball players. The skill also comes in handy in complicated social situations.


Say you're walking down the street as someone approaches. You want to be able to lock onto their face to tell if they're looking at you and determine what kinds of emotions they may be expressing.


If they're angry, you'd probably want to get out of their way.

"I think there's a great assumption that we see the same thing," Wilmer told LiveScience. But from his research, "it's not surprising that people have such big differences in abilities as evident in baseball and social function."
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I think this could come into effect when spotting the bag after a spin for instance. But at the same time we are setting the bag and, if we're consistent at setting correctly, know where it will go and thus this phenomenon isn't pertinent. Obviously there are fluctuations and knowing where the bag is and reacting to it would be important.

Just a thought.
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Very interesting. Thanks for posting that.
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no wonder im so naturally talented at wiffleball 8)
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The study doesn't actually make any suggestions that people's abilities to track a ball has an impact on their sporting ability, so it's interesting that the journalist made that unscientific assumption.

My impression with footbag is that it's mainly about how well you can get the moves drilled, rather than how you see the bag. I'm sure most players have hit moves with their eyes closed or not looking at the bag. You lose sight of the bag a lot during footbag (every dex, duck or spin) so it's not so much about seeing the bag, as putting it in the same spot every time, so you don't need to look at it (although obviously looking helps a bit too).

I would like to see what the relationship is between a persons ability to follow objects, and their physical co-ordination.
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Deciphering curveballs from fastballs and balls from strikes requires that a player's eyes precisely lock onto the ball, as described in recently published research on humans' ability to track balls and other moving objects.
I think discerning curveballs and fastballs just comes naturally through experience. Locking on the ball seems trivial since you know the ball is leaving the pitcher's hand and is headed towards the plate. It's not like it's guerrilla fighting in the jungle with stuff coming at you from all sides. I'm sure if anyone here played baseball and had tens of thousands of pitches thrown at them, they would gradually pick up on the subtle differences in the patterns of the 2 pitches too. To me it's the same as the way we've learned to recognize barflies and tell if they're clean from seeing them countless times. I think the "incredible" speed at which humans can pick up on actions like pitches and dexes is really an illusion, created from learning to ignore distractions, focus just on the pertinent visual information, and predicting possible outcomes from all the similar situations prior. When you can predict things they tend to seem to move slower and you can react faster, already having a good idea what's going to happen next. It's not surprising and overwhelmingly fast like it is when you're a novice and lack the necessary experience.
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