Time to use a boatload of printer ink.

[qphox]

So...I pretty much decided that I want to compile a list of "all" uptime components and "all" downtime components, so that I may create a load of charts listing "all" "possible" tricks. Lots of quotation marks, but I think they're self-explanatory.

So...for uptime, I've typed this up(get ready for it):

1. Pixie
2. Fairy
3. Quantum
4. Atomic
5. Terraging
6. Stepping
7. Barraging
8. Sliding
9. Nuclear
10. Shooting
11. Sailing
12. Frantic
13. Fairy Atomic
14. Phasing
15. Swirling
16. Whirling

17. Fairy Symp. Swirling
18. Symp. Quantum
19. Symp. Atomic
20. Symp. Sailing
21. Symp. Frantic
22. Symp. Whirling

23. Clip set Backspin
24. Clip set Inspin
25. Gyro Stepping
26. Stepping Backspin
27. Stepping Inspin
28. Pixie Backspin
29. Pixie Inspin
30. Fairy Backspin
31. Fairy Inspin
32. Atomic Backspin
33. Atomic Inspin
34. Quantum Backspin
35. Quantum Inspin
36. Nuclear Backspin
37. Nuclear Inspin
38. Sailing Backspin
39. Sailing Inspin
40. Frantic Backspin
41. Frantic Inspin
42. Fairy Atomic Backspin
43. Fairy Atomic Inspin
44. Phasing Backspin
45. Phasing Inspin
46. Swirling Backspin…(Surging)
47. Swirling Inspin
48. Whirling Backspin
49. Whirling Inspin

50. Fairy Symp. Swirling Backspin
51. Fairy Symp. Swirling Inspin
52. Symp. Quantum Backspin
53. Symp. Quantum Inspin
54. Symp. Atomic Backspin
55. Symp. Atomic Inspin
56. Symp. Sailing Backspin
57. Symp. Sailing Inspin
58. Symp. Frantic Backspin
59. Symp. Frantic Inspin
60. Symp. Whirling Backspin
61. Symp. Whirling Inspin

Yeah, 61. Of course, some of them are pretty suspect at best...mostly the later ones, such as number 59 there. I was thinking about Symp Barraging Backspinning. Then I thought, "ELL OH ELL!"

So yeah...which ones do you think I should rid myself of, hm?


The end result I'm aiming for:

Basically, I want the chart to look like this:

Name of set across the top of the page. Downtime components listed down the left side. SAME and OPP boxes, with corresponding "Diving/Weaving" and "Ducking/Zulu" boxes. A check mark in the box means, "I have hit this! Oh em gee!"

I figure if I do a bunch of pages like this, I can pretty much cover most of the "possible" footbag tricks. I mean, I know, I've done the math, and there's going to be a god-dang-damn-hat-load of them...thousands of boxes for me to check at some point in the future.

The idea is to make a booklet of some kind to print off, that I will go over after a session, check some boxes. Good way to figure out "new" tricks to try, per se.

So yeah, if you've got some more to add to the list of sets, go for it. I'm going to try my best at compiling a list of downtimes as well...I'll use footbag.org probably. That's going to be a pretty large list though, taking symposium and simple dexes into consideration.

*shrug*

The idea here is to throw it online for all to enjoy! Also, the secondary goal here is to print this booklet only once, so I don't want to miss too many things.




Oh yeah, it just occured to me that I should also include a "No dex" set.

[Doylie]

I love the idea man, i think i'd definitely print myself a copy. If you can compile it then go for it. Also, i haven't bothered yet, but have you cross checked the list with Chris Holden's sets list? I noticed that Rifling isn't on there, but i didn't look for any others.
As for which sets to take off, i'm not gonna suggest any, cause who is to say who has hit what as a set? Kinda off topic, but isn't there a guy on Flipsider who reckons he has hit Smog as a set?
But overall i like the idea, good stuff man.

[billman_c]

I'd print it. It's a good idea.

[Johnny]

Me likes.

Reverse Whirling?

[qphox]

Yeah, Bubba, right? Isn't reverse whirling Bubba?

Oh, and Quasi as well, seeing as people are actually able to do Quasi moves somehow...

I'm kinda hesitant to include stuff like...Sliding Inspinning and so forth, because it seems so unattainable, but then I think, "Might as well cover it all". What do you think? Include all combinations of set + spin or not?

I mean, Nuclear Backspinning Paradox Mirage? Might as well include it all, because it'll offer ideas to try anyway...I don't know.


edit:

added Dragon set Stepping, Dragon set Swirling, Dragon set Reverse Swirling, Arctic, Reverse Swirling, Rev. Whirling, Symp. Rev. Whirling, Inside set Fairy, Outside set Pixie...clipper set no dex, dragon set no dex, toe set no dex.

It also occured to me that anything that ends on clipper could end on dragon...or rake. Instead of adding an assload of downtime components, I think I'll just put a "Dragon" and "Rake" box next to each trick ending on clipper. Even though this list is going to be gigantic, I'd still like to keep it to a minimum.

edit 2:

I've never seen any Rifling trick. I want to, if it's possible, but right now, a 3 dex set seems a bit sketchy at best.

Also, James from Saskatoon was trying stuff in Calgary out of a Symp. DLO set. Like, "Wonton Fairy" if that makes sense. It was pretty fantastic...I'll have to put that on there.

Smog as a set makes no sense to me.

[qphox]

Alright, I think I got all this figured out now...compiled my downtime components. Again, add to the list if you've got one. Keep in mind that I'm taking the general names only. No Paradox, no far. For example, Clip opp Mirage. It's simply for descriing the trick. I might think about changing Pdx later...like, put "PDX" in place of "OPP" for tricks that it applies to. I'll see.

Also! I'm not worrying about trick names that rely on where it's set from, namely mirage, illusion and Double over down. The "No dex set" kinda complicates stuff, since as soon as you do a pixie set from toe, you can't do a same pixie. It's gotta be a same mirage. Furthermore, Paradon, Barfly, and Down-double-down are now "toe set opp DoD", "Clip set opp DoD" and "Clip set same DoD". Alright? Makes things easier as far as sets go.

Here's the second half of our list:

Ends on toe:
Legover
Pickup
Mirage
Illusion
Barrage
DLO
Double dex Pickup
Double dex Legover
Eggbeater
Blur
Flurry
Blizzard

Symp Mirage
Symp Illusion
Symp Barrage
Symp DLO
Symp Eggbeater
Backside Blur
Backside Blizzard
Backside Omelette
Backside Atom Smasher

Ends on Clip:
Clipper
Butterfly
Flying Clipper Kick
Flying Butterfly Kick
Drifter
Swifter
Osis
Refraction
Eclipse
Swirl
Reverse Swirl
Whirl
Reverse Whirl
Blender
Double-over-down
Butterfly Swirl
Butterfly Reverse Swirl
Dyno
High-Plains Drifter
Ripstein
Reverse Ripstein
Twirl
Whirr
Whirling Swirl
Da Da Curve
Torque
Double-over-down Swirl
Double Blender
Barroque

Symp Whirl
Symp Reverse Whirl
Symp Double-over-down
Symp Twirl
Symp Whirr
Symp Whirling Swirl
Symp Torque
Symp Double-over-down Swirl


Okay. I think that pretty much covers it. Of course, some of the combinations you can make here might go well in the, "Impossible moves" thread, but whatever.

Symp Frantic Inspinning Zulu Paradox Double Blender anyone? It's only 10 adds...

Finally, I think I've figured out how to accomodate for tricks that end on clip that are also possible to end on Rake and Dragon. Of course, tricks like Osis and Torque and Blender can't really end on Rake, so I'll have to go through and blah blah blah I'll figure it out.


edit: added voodoo

[FootbaggingFrog]

whats zulu set?

[Johnny]

Zulu is Diving Op. If that clears anything up at all.

[Doylie]

Dude, i'm really looking forward to this booklet. It looks like its gonna be heaps comprehensive. If/when you finish it, i'm donating the rest of my props to you.

[Jorden]

Christ man. Das a lotta typing!

A few more sets:

- cloud set pixie
- pinchy, finchy, etc.
- frozen (frigid atomic)
- shooting inspin
- swirling stepping (?)

Dt Components:

- reverse torque
- symp. reverse torque
- RIPWALK!!! (cuz I can do this downtime )
- reverse whirling swirl (+symp)
- reverse drifter
- swifter (?)

You should also add a box for flapper, xbd heel, xbd pincher, xbd cloud, and zipper.
Geez qphox, you sure you wanna do this? Seems like one bitch of a job to me !

[Chris Holden]

you might write in the ducking moves as "Apex" since these are neight uptime, downtime, or sets. Apex meaning the the end of uptime and beginning of downtime. These could be listed between uptime and downtime, since they could always happen at that point.

Also, you're going to run into a lot of redundancy, since so many combinations could possibly be put together. You'll have a nice long list.

[Axe]

This sounds like a lot of work, but is a great idea. It would be cool to put the name of the trick in the box where the uptime and downtime components meet. That way you could keep track of what has already been hit and named.
Example:

Pixie

Mirage Smear

Butterfly Dimwalk

[qphox]

Microsoft Word is pissing me off. I don't think it's the program to use for this. heh

SO MUCH STUFF.

So yeah, I totally understand this is going to be gi-normous...but my thinking is that you'll only have to print it once. ...This is why I want to try to get it right the first time.

Some things I'm not sure about or have yet to address:

- Are flapper, xbd heel, xbd cloud, xbd pincher necessary to add? I'll probably add Zipper.
- Are "other" set Pixies and Fairies necessary? I think I might get rid of Outsde set Pixie and Inside set Fairy...
- Should I care about "Simple" components?
- "Set from Left/Right". Afterall, we wanna be BSP, right?

To Hackmaster:
Swirling Stepping is Sliding, isn't it? And can Grifter (reverse drifter) be done on the way down?

I still need to make it on the computer...I've got it pretty planned out on paper, anyway.

And keep in mind, you don't ACTUALLY need to print it off. Keep it on your computar-machine.

[qphox]

Alright, for those curious, I did some math:

Set from x Uptime x Apex x Downtime x Same/Opp = ???

Well...

2 x 73 x 2 x 68 x 2 = 39312 tricks. This doesn't include Rakes, Dragons or Zippers.

*nervous laughter* ...

[FootbaggingFrog]

use microsoft excel (its all charts and graphs), not word

*EDIT* well that 39000 includes impossible tricks (over 8 adds basically0