Cleveland Gun shooting

Wu_ · Post by **Wu_** » 16 Oct 2007 14:49

If government goons come to visit you and you make it clear that you have a gun and are willing to use it would seem more like threatening them than anything else.
Germany surely does not have problems with freedom of speech. Nobody tries to silence you with violence or other methods. Even racist groups have freedom of speech and freedom to assemble. I hate those bastards though.

If you were trying to give a speech and some law enforcement tried to silence you for one reason or another and you pulled your gun out and said "I have the freedom of speech and here is the reason why!" they would put you down because you would be a threat to people around you.
What you are saying doesn't make sense to me at all. If you use a weapon people are just scared that your gonna do something stupid with it.

The example with the Tank and AK is not even that far fetched. Wasn't it the US government that did not renew the federal law that did not permit owning full automatic weapons?

james_dean · Post by **james_dean** » 17 Oct 2007 05:24

That was absurd bullshit. You're just a bunch of paranoid fuckers. That rant didn't even make any sense, as pointed out by Wu. What link can you show between gun laws and freedom of speech laws? I really can't be bothered debating this, but that was ridiculous.

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 17 Oct 2007 05:40

In Australia the other day this guy got up at a lecture and started asking a question, when the police dragged him down, held him down and tasered him.

Here's a video of it on YouTube (I'm sure you've all seen it before anyway).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE

Oh wait, sorry I'm confused. That didn't happen in a country with very strong anti gun laws, meaning it doesn't have free speech. That happened in the Western nation with some of the softest gun laws. I don't know how I could make a mistake like that. Good to see the police are allowed to express their freedom of speech, and indeed actions, because I've always thought actions speak louder than words, just like everybody else. Our cops don't have that right in Australia. Probably because of our freedom killing gun laws.

God Bless America.

LEGOMAN · Post by **LEGOMAN** » 17 Oct 2007 18:48

I wouldn't say he was asking him questions. He didn't really give Kerry time to answer any of those questions he was asking.

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 18 Oct 2007 02:13

Sorry, my mistake. He obviously should have been Tasered. If we had looser gun laws, tasering people who are being held down by 4 other people wouldn't be a crime here. Australia is so archaic.

Switch Kicker · Post by **Switch Kicker** » 22 Oct 2007 05:51

Though that was forever ago, this is probably the one of very few times I'll end up agreeing with Jeremy..

I saw that in the news when it happened, and it pissed me off to no relent. I would've gladly been one of the people marching on the campus the next day. I mean ffs... they already had him down, his hands weren't flailing about, they could've easily put handcuffs on him and taken him outside.

And he doesn't have to give Kerry (An idiot btw, yet, still the lesser of two evils) time to answer the questions. He had just as much right to be in the area voicing his opinion about Kerry, as Kerry had to be there to promote himself. Just because someone's running for president, doesn't mean they should be allowed to drown out the voices of others with physical force. And that guy was causing a disturbance... All of it was just wrong on every level.

The more I think about it the more I think, well, why can't the wanna-be president handle being hassled a little bit buy a college kid? He can't even handle a college kid, is he going to buckle under the pressure of much more powerful and evil people in the world like he is now with a kid who's simply asking questions? Kinda pathetic really.

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 22 Oct 2007 06:29

What's wrong with you?

Kerry wasn't happy with the police reaction either. He kept saying; "It's ok, I'll answer the questions." Have you watched the video? Kerry could handle the situation fine, the cops just decided, for no apparent reason, to arrest the guy and then taser him.

Also I was trying to make a point about the claim that less gun laws make for a freer society where people can express themselves more.

This was clearly a false point, and although my attack on the claim was rather facetious, one only needs to look at the differences in free speech in countries like Colombia, Thailand, Vietnam, etc. compared with Australia or the UK. There is no way you can draw any trend positive for gun freedom with countries with heavy gun laws and their levels of free speech.