This is supposed to be a DOD
oh gosh im so stupid
HELP!
and...what the heck am i doing?
Somethings not going right here...
Somethings not going right here...
http://www.footbag.org/media/1533/Untitled.wmv
This is supposed to be a DOD
oh gosh im so stupid
HELP!
and...what the heck am i doing?
This is supposed to be a DOD
oh gosh im so stupid
HELP!
and...what the heck am i doing?
Last edited by BenRea on 01 Dec 2007 17:01, edited 1 time in total.
Ben Rea
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Re: Somethings not going right here...
sorry, called it by the wrong name.
yeah i just dunno what to do about the second dex. they are always like that and its F'd up. i think its hurting my knees too.
yeah i just dunno what to do about the second dex. they are always like that and its F'd up. i think its hurting my knees too.
Ben Rea
Work on making your normal clippers smoother and safer before moving onto double downs.
Your clipper style is dangerous because you actively force your support leg into the ground hard. Trying to do double downs is reinforcing that bad habit by letting you think you need to sacrifice time for a slow, safe landing to complete the dexes. You're also encouraging the bad habit of not letting your knee straighten its alignment enough before your leg pounds into the ground.
When the bag is about to hit your foot you don't have to work your support leg down anymore. At that point you can just ignore your support leg and let it drop with your body to the ground on its own. Switch all focus over to your clipper leg to cradle the bag; forget you even have a support leg. Let go of the fear that you're going to fall over if you don't forcefully stop the ground coming towards you. If you do it right your whole body will stay loose and ease into the landing as a team, instead of having your knee lock and taking unneeded abuse by itself. This is all assuming you have adequate core strength.
Another thing you can work on is how you aim your head. Your neck is twisted too much to the side because you're aiming your clippers sideways. You can see your neck turning outwards during the trick in the video. This makes it harder to keep the rest of your body and knee aligned. Rotate your body into clipper position behind the footbag, instead of setting the footbag laterally beside you and chasing after it. Look down at the footbag under you, not off to the side.
Your clipper style is dangerous because you actively force your support leg into the ground hard. Trying to do double downs is reinforcing that bad habit by letting you think you need to sacrifice time for a slow, safe landing to complete the dexes. You're also encouraging the bad habit of not letting your knee straighten its alignment enough before your leg pounds into the ground.
When the bag is about to hit your foot you don't have to work your support leg down anymore. At that point you can just ignore your support leg and let it drop with your body to the ground on its own. Switch all focus over to your clipper leg to cradle the bag; forget you even have a support leg. Let go of the fear that you're going to fall over if you don't forcefully stop the ground coming towards you. If you do it right your whole body will stay loose and ease into the landing as a team, instead of having your knee lock and taking unneeded abuse by itself. This is all assuming you have adequate core strength.
Another thing you can work on is how you aim your head. Your neck is twisted too much to the side because you're aiming your clippers sideways. You can see your neck turning outwards during the trick in the video. This makes it harder to keep the rest of your body and knee aligned. Rotate your body into clipper position behind the footbag, instead of setting the footbag laterally beside you and chasing after it. Look down at the footbag under you, not off to the side.
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Good tips from Dat. I had a couple of things to add.
Keep your ankle stiff and your toes pulled up. Look how much your foot flops around. If you pull your toes up like you're doing a toe stall, you'll have much more control of you leg, allowing you to do tighter dexes.
Really focus on the landing. Do the trick a few times without the bag, but trying to land as softly as you can. Now try with the bag, but don't worry if you hit the move or not, just if you land well or not. It's much better to land well, but drop the bag, then it is to land badly and hit the move. Landing badly means your game is unsustainable, and you're bound to have injuries at some stage. Landing well means you'll be able to play until you're 60.
Keep your ankle stiff and your toes pulled up. Look how much your foot flops around. If you pull your toes up like you're doing a toe stall, you'll have much more control of you leg, allowing you to do tighter dexes.
Really focus on the landing. Do the trick a few times without the bag, but trying to land as softly as you can. Now try with the bag, but don't worry if you hit the move or not, just if you land well or not. It's much better to land well, but drop the bag, then it is to land badly and hit the move. Landing badly means your game is unsustainable, and you're bound to have injuries at some stage. Landing well means you'll be able to play until you're 60.
Thanks guys.
Jeremy i think you're right, my ankle is floppy. But when i think about it in my head, that's the only way i am able to move fast enough, i feel like lose control when i stiffen up like that and my foot doesn't move in a circular motion.
and yes, my knees do hurt and it is from landing that way. i tend to land very hard when i shred and i think one of my goals should be to play softer and more smoothly.
thanks for the great tips fellas, it helps a lot.
Jeremy i think you're right, my ankle is floppy. But when i think about it in my head, that's the only way i am able to move fast enough, i feel like lose control when i stiffen up like that and my foot doesn't move in a circular motion.
and yes, my knees do hurt and it is from landing that way. i tend to land very hard when i shred and i think one of my goals should be to play softer and more smoothly.
thanks for the great tips fellas, it helps a lot.
Ben Rea
double post sorry.
oh and please excuse my spandex
Paradon and Pixie Paradon:
Maybe a little better?:
http://www.footbag.org/media/1533/paradonfixed.wmv
oh and please excuse my spandex
Paradon and Pixie Paradon:
Maybe a little better?:
http://www.footbag.org/media/1533/paradonfixed.wmv
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everything you said backs up the post that henry put above me. you said that you feel like its the only way you're able to move fast enough and that you feel like you lose control... but the thing is if you had control, then you wouldnt have the problem.BenRea wrote:Jeremy i think you're right, my ankle is floppy. But when i think about it in my head, that's the only way i am able to move fast enough, i feel like lose control when i stiffen up like that and my foot doesn't move in a circular motion.
and yes, my knees do hurt and it is from landing that way. i tend to land very hard when i shred and i think one of my goals should be to play softer and more smoothly.
even though henry's tip is harsh, try to understand that he's been telling you this same tip in different ways during online comps. i can't do dod's, but i know you have to have your clipper in control before you even think about doing tricks out of it.
try beating your clipper > op clipper record
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people already have. watch some jorden videos and see how he lands. i know that floor is hard and the room probably has good acoustics, but it shouldnt sound like a gunshot when you land, even on a move thats difficult for your, or one that you think requires a hard landing.
when i first learned ps whirls i thought it always had to be a floor-shaking move with a hard landing, but that doesnt make any sense. if people that were good at that move landed it that hard everytime, they wouldnt be able to play out of it, nevermind hit it smoothly X like 8 (think felix in smooth criminals, in fact, dont think it, go back and watch it again)
landing that hard makes it difficult to play smoothly out of the move you landed hard on, and makes it nearly impossible to do any set out of it. it will also DEFINITELY cause at least minor health issues in the future, if it hasnt already.
when i first learned ps whirls i thought it always had to be a floor-shaking move with a hard landing, but that doesnt make any sense. if people that were good at that move landed it that hard everytime, they wouldnt be able to play out of it, nevermind hit it smoothly X like 8 (think felix in smooth criminals, in fact, dont think it, go back and watch it again)
landing that hard makes it difficult to play smoothly out of the move you landed hard on, and makes it nearly impossible to do any set out of it. it will also DEFINITELY cause at least minor health issues in the future, if it hasnt already.
Pete Bowler
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keeps it offah da ground.
617 FOR LIFE
B$C
keeps it offah da ground.
617 FOR LIFE
DOD:
The landing is actually pretty good for a just-learned.
Pros are that you land your support foot toes straight, not pointing them inward, so that your knee won't take extra presure sideways. Also you land toe first, not your heel first.
Cons are that you do cause your foot extra presure by bringing it down so fast from such height. If you do the second dex with smaller window, less reverse-whirl like, you don't need to bang your foot down so fast. Therefore you can have a smooth landing. Also, try not to touch ground with your heel at all. You can learn to do that for example by over acting, like pretend that you're a gay ballerina...
Paradon & Pixie Paradon:
Your dexing both double downs with your ankle, you should start dexing deeper with your calf, butterfly-style. The dexes are better than the DOD was, they're not rev-whirl like at all.
Other than that, pretty much the same thing than with DOD. Don't land on your heel.
Tip for Paradon: start dexing WAY earlier, your foot lifting up almost set-like. Easier for deep dexes.
The landing is actually pretty good for a just-learned.
Pros are that you land your support foot toes straight, not pointing them inward, so that your knee won't take extra presure sideways. Also you land toe first, not your heel first.
Cons are that you do cause your foot extra presure by bringing it down so fast from such height. If you do the second dex with smaller window, less reverse-whirl like, you don't need to bang your foot down so fast. Therefore you can have a smooth landing. Also, try not to touch ground with your heel at all. You can learn to do that for example by over acting, like pretend that you're a gay ballerina...
Paradon & Pixie Paradon:
Your dexing both double downs with your ankle, you should start dexing deeper with your calf, butterfly-style. The dexes are better than the DOD was, they're not rev-whirl like at all.
Other than that, pretty much the same thing than with DOD. Don't land on your heel.
Tip for Paradon: start dexing WAY earlier, your foot lifting up almost set-like. Easier for deep dexes.