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creepy pic man...


im watching exorsist though so i think that kinda set the mood....cool though!
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Stretching + basic kicks = super sore
I've started stretching quite a bit daily (well... the past two days so far anyway). Also, yesterday I tried to do some basic kicking. I noticed in Gray's video of my from Worlds, my kicking looks really out of control, and that upsets me. I think it's mostly the Climas somehow, but I love them otherwise. I don't feel controlled when I do alternating inside kicks or toe kicks... it's kind of like the crappiest feeling. Ha. Like... to suck at the absolute basics.

Anyway, so I did some basic kicking, and did some weird stuff, like, alternating cloud kicks, and some plantless stuff, like clipper stall > same leg cloud kick [repeating] both sides. I'm actually too scared to even do toe taps these past few months, for fear that they may poorly affect my fractures. Follow-up on... Thursday I think? I can't wait to hear some kind of response to my condition.

So yeah... basic kicks for like 20 minutes. I've always been a heavy sweater, so I wasn't surprised to be dripping sweat just from kicking. But I woke up this morning, absolutely weak and sore all over. From kicking and stretching? Wow. I'm so out of shape. It's been, like, 3 months since I last played footbag... in some ways it seems crazy that it's been that long. My anxiety from waiting for this appointment is making me more eager than usual to be able to play again.



Ballet?
I kind of touched on this in Jorden's blog, but I'm interested in ballet, and I want to get into it. It's low impact, and builds incredible strength and flexibility. My girlfriend also told me that she thinks it may be free for boys (although that is probably young boys...). Anyway, yeah. It's exciting... although I'm more interested in seeing how much I can learn from books, and not having to pay for classes... it's something I'm looking into. Apparently the Royal Winnipeg Ballet is the oldest royal ballet school in North America, and other impressive stuff like that. My girlfriend used to train there, and I went and watched some times.

I guess the appeal to me about Ballet is that... it's like a great workout with low impact, which is super important to me; it develops incredible flexibility, which is great, since most of my muscles are really, really tight, and this would help reduce the chances of footbag injuries in the future -- flexibility is something that I have always really wanted but never really knew how to attain; and most importantly it is more than just a workout, but an expressive dance, like footbag -- a fun activity and not just doing stretches or lifting weights. I have absolutely no incentive to work out at a gym because "working out" is boring.
Anyway, yeah. Lots of thoughts.



Stitching
I cut panels for a bag last night. I haven't stitched in, like, a month. I'm doing a... what is it called... the pattern where it's just a bunch of random colours. I'm not terribly excited, but it would be nice to be semi-regularly stitching again. I like it.
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I've only played in Climas once, and the 2 main things I took from it were:

1. The toes were not bad at all, which I thought they would be.
2. The only thing I couldn't do well in them was do inside kicks.

So yeah, I think the culprit behind your kicking woes may be the climas.
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Hey Erik, I hope all goes well at your check up.

About the pattern with all the random colours, I believe it is called a dada bag.

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Erik, i'm also interested to hear about your stress fractures. For some one of your age fracture healing time is around 8-12 weeks, so 3 months of rest should have been sufficient, unless you were loading your fractures. I just hope you don't have non-union. any way, when you get your results back call me and let me know what the MRI revealed and what the doctor said. I'd be interested to know.
As to ballet, it's a great style of dance, and it can be very demanding, but i think it could be very hard for you. It's actually pretty high impact. The male's role in ballet is as either a prop for the girls, where you lift them over your head and walk around, or as a jumper who jumps up and down all the time. This is particularly true in north america, which tends to have more exciting energetic ballet, because american audiences lose interest in anything that goes 5 minutes with an explosion, lol.
when i was training alot of my time was spent practicing jumps. the teacher would hold her hand above my head and make me jump up to touch it with my head, while the girls would practice pliés to the music. Then she would move her hand a bit higher, then a bit higher then a bit higher, until i couldn;t reach it any more. Then i had to TRY to reach it untill the song was over. hahaha, good times.
Then i had to do pushups until the next song ended while the girls did pointe work. Then i had to do planks untill the next song ended while the girls did something else. It's the jump, squats, push ups and planks that make male ballet dancers so strong. And the cardio work from dancing, with a strong helping of disordered eating habits keep them so thin that you can see their muscle striations.
likewise, the flexibility gains from ballet don't come from doing ballet it's self. You really don't get put through your full range of motion by many of the ballet positions or actions. It comes from lots of stretching done before and after classes. It's the time spent sitting there before class with your leg on the bar, reaching for your toes, or on the floor working your splits that help you gain those extra inches of flexibility.
My other concern would be your knees. How low can you bend without pain? do you think you would be able to bend that deep repeatedly pain free? there's alot of pliés done in ballet. it's like the quintessential ballet move. There's also a great deal of emphasis put on turn out (in vaganova style, which they primarily teach at the RWB. there's less in checcetti and a number of smaller studios around the city teach that). I think it could potentially aggravate your patellofemoral j.p.s.
i guess you won't be doing large volume, intense, 6 classes per week type of training, so it probably won't be too hard on your body, but those would be my considerations. if you want a good work out with no impact, hit the pool and swim laps. You get more resistance from the water, so work you muscles harder, and it's the most demanding sport (or second, cross country skiing might be harder... or was it that cc skiers had the best maximal oxygen consumption values. now i can't remember.) for your cardiovascular system, with pretty much 0 impact. Pan am isn't too far from you.
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Andrew: Oh yeah, it's dada. Although maybe not really, 'cause I kind of made sure the same colour didn't touch itself... so not COMPLETELY random. Anyway, I'll post a picture in a little bit when I get around to adding the last two panels.

Andrew: You're so smart. Yeah, actually Marita mentioned the thing about boys doing more jumps too, but she also said that they teach you to land really soft. But yeah, I guess you would know, since I guess you studied it and know my injuries pretty well. I guess I'm more interested in the, yeah, like, bar exercises and stretching. I looked at the website and the conditioning class interested me most. But I dunno. It's prolly just a fleeting fancy. I'll prolly never end up taking ballet.
As for swimming, I wish I could. It was so easy in Toronto 'cause I had my own pool and a lifeguard girlfriend to teach me how to swim. But I can't afford swimming classes, and I don't swim well enough to just go do laps.
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Erik Chan wrote: I don't swim well enough to just go do laps.
I hesitate to use the word "lame" when talking to you, but that's a real lame excuse. I can barely swim, and I do laps. The whole trick is going a few times until you figure out the breathing rhythm, and then you're set. Swimming is the best. It's relaxing, no impact, and it works lots of muscles. If you have access to a pool, and you aren't playing footbag, you have NO excuse not to be swimming.
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Erik Chan wrote: I don't swim well enough to just go do laps.
I hesitate to use the word "lame" when talking to you, but that's a real lame excuse. I can barely swim, and I do laps. The whole trick is going a few times until you figure out the breathing rhythm, and then you're set. Swimming is the best. It's relaxing, no impact, and it works lots of muscles. If you have access to a pool, and you aren't playing footbag, you have NO excuse not to be swimming.
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He thought it was so lame he had to say it twice!
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Rec swim is usually a lot less intimidating than lane swim where you feel like you may be holding someone up who's going fast behind you. The rec swim at my local pool, they bring out all sorts of pool toys like kick boards, water frisbees, and pool noodles. I try to go to 1-2 rec swims weekly.

ALSO! You don't necessarily have to swim at rec swim. There's a million exercises you can do in the pool to strengthen your muscles WITHOUT heavy impact but with the added resistance of the water. It is one of the only safe ways to do plyometric exercises. Try squat jumps in the shallow end and try to jump up steps if there are steps in the pool. Double and single footed.

I've been using our community center pool a lot for this kind of strength training actually, along with a bit of cardio swimming. My vertical jump height has improved 2 inches in a month.

Oh yeah, dexercising is amazing in water because of the added resistance.

The pool may just be ideal for you.

But keep up the stretching! Remember you can't train a muscle or movement unless you have the range of motion for it. Forcing it will only hurt yourself.

Edit: some links to check out
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/maia3.htm
http://www.sportsinjurybulletin.com/arc ... mming.html

Edit 2: You said something about wanting to strengthen your core? What about everything?
http://ca.youtube.com/user/ridgelinefitness
Remember to watch the intro video
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Thanks for the posts.
And yeah, I'm lame, but I knew that already.
Maybe I'll pick up the courage to go flounder around in and out of a lane some time.



Enigmatic injury #2 -- no answers
Anyway. I just got back from my follow-up appointment. Holy crap is it cold outside. I think I waited for a bus for like over 30 minutes and then walked another 15 when I got off the bus. Brr! Weather website says, "Feels like -30 C". Which isn't much colder than it's been lately, I guess. I guess standing still for half an hour just absorbs the cold like a sponge.

So, yeah.
As my doctor put it, "It's a good news, bad news situation."
Good news is I never had stress fractures. The MRI proved that theory wrong. So yay. Bad news is... I clearly still feel raw in my legs and he had no other answer. The MRI showed nothing, which means my muscle is fine too. So what the fuck? That's major footbag injury #2 that is a complete bloody enigma. So I basically have no idea what to do. I asked for a prescription for... what is it? Therapy, or something. So I think I can get that for free. He wrote some illegible stuff, but one thing was acupuncture. That sounds okay. I really dig the massage that sometimes comes with that :D

Umm, so yeah, he basically said to go for whatever the word was... the thing you do do rehab. I dunno. He also said I have to change how I do my thing. But he suggested that I try to play and see what happens. I was avoiding doing toe taps for the past 3 months for fear of aggravating my "stress fractures". What a waste. Maybe I'd be completely better by now if I'd been doing them. So I'm gonna do that and hopefully strengthen the muscles, 'cause I figure that must be the main cause. Umm. Yeah. So I'm gonna do toe taps today and tomorrow and then try to play a bit on Saturday, lightly, if the gang gets together.



Maybe Andrew will have some more good suggestions for me.
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hum, i'm baffled. i though the doctor showed you the fracture lines? Common radiographs do however have a very limited capacity to show stress fractures though. something like 60% reliability, where as MRI's are like 98.9% reliable.

my suggestion: take it slow and easy. very very slowly increase your intensity as your pain will allow (i'm talking over months here). stretching like a mad man will probably be a good idea. I'll work with you on setting something up if you aren't able to go to therapy, which you should be able to do. If you're interested in doing some whole body strengthening, i might be able to get you some resistance bands super cheap/ free, if you aren't interested in going to a gym. If you are, i just got a job as an assistant trainer at a fantastic gym, so you should come see me! haha!
Another thing i can think of is that maybe you need to rebuild your footbag form to suit your body better.
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I'm not Andrew, but I have a good suggestion for you. Have you ever tried any weight training? I started in September and it's been nothing short of life changing.

I had generalized joint health issues for several years, with problem areas being my hands (from piano/computer), first my right, then both of my knees (footbag), and my back (EVERYTHING). I had x-rays and bone scans and bloodwork fail to diagnose me. Physio and acupuncture therapists provided no relief. I'd basically given up on the idea of living without chronic pain, let alone playing footbag regularly.

By around three weeks into my weight routine my knees and back had stopped hurting me. My first action of every day used to be to adjust myself out of the pain I woke up in. Straighten those legs, roll onto your side, tuck your wrists in the other direction. Now when I come to I can just lay there rested and comfortable. It's a different world to wake up to. I understand now how a healthy young man is supposed to feel - it's good.

I've decided now that I'm gonna go to town with this post, and it belongs in the Health subforum. Check it out.

Hope you feel better soon.
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Ha, you sound like a scam artist :D
Umm. Do you have any tips on how to get started in weight training? Do books cut it, or do I need a personal trainer or something? I so can't afford to pay money to fix my body right now. I'm negative money :(
When I have money to spare I would so willingly shell out a couple hundred dollars if it was somehow possible to go to a gym and know exactly what to do to make all of my pain go away. Of course I don't want to be one of those "circle kickers" who isn't doing any real good.



Oh, since I'm posting anyway, here's that bag I made.
It's actually not quite as nice as it looks in the picture.
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You don't need a gym membership if you can't afford one.

My home gym consists of a skipping rope, a cheap swiss ball, resistance bands, and a broomstick and some chairs. It's ghetto, but it works. (I also have parallettes and an ab wheel, but they won't be necessary if you're just starting off anyway.) I use the jungle gym at my neighbourhood park when the weather isn't freezing also.

There's a lot of stuff you can do with just your bodyweight and gravity as long as your main focus is perfecting form for the exercise. However, it's important to note that if you can easily pump out 20 of something with perfect form on the first set, you need to change the exercise up a little to make it more difficult in order to increase strength.

It's difficult to give you a program to start with if I don't know what your physical ability is right now. How many push ups can you do? How many minutes can you plank? side plank? etc. These are important things to know. I'm sure Andrew has some ideas and can give you an initial assessment.

For awhile now, I've felt that your leg pain may be due to over-developed quads and inadequately developed hamstrings that makes you so tight and causes your pain. After all, the sinking motion of footbag does tend to exercise our quads a lot more than our hamstrings.

So, a possible exercise you should try would be:
3 sets of 10 single leg bodyweight deadlifts with 30 sec. rest in between sets. (see how 3 sets feel. If you've still got juice, 5 sets of 10)
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=4lG3uhiCN_M

Continue stretching, but be sure to be stretching warm muscles and not cold ones and don't be impatient. Hold stretches for 30 seconds or more! Ideally, a minute or more and as your muscles relax from the stretch, sink into the stretch further throughout the hold. Breath into the tightness and the pain because your body will naturally loosen if you just allow it the time to relax.

Most of all, have fun! Exercise releases endorphins and endorphins make us happy. :) We all wish you to come back to the game, but you must take care of yourself and make your body ready to get back to playing footbag.
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If all you wanted out of ballet was the stretching part it makes me wonder if you have explored yoga at all?

There are many different kinds, I am sure you could find one that suits you.
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i do yoga every tuesday at the local YMCA


its really great and helps for footbag.


cycle on thursday's and weightlift on both days. monday, wed, sat, i lift weights, do calethstenics, and row on the erg (indoor rowing).

i do this for 12 weeks.

good luck on your jouney erik chan.
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Thanks Peng.
That is helpful. Maybe I can ask you some more questions in the near future.

And as for the yoga, I actually did consider it. I don't know anything about ballet or yoga, but since you made the connection, maybe I was not far off. The kind of notion that I had in my head with ballet was that it's yoga, but you're actually doing something more than just stretching and stuff. Like an activity (the dancing). And that was my inspiration. Like I said, I'm not as eager to do plain old stretching or workout.

I think Colin may be helping me start out with the weight training stuff he's been talking about, so I'm going to wait for that, and then if need arises, maybe ask Peng for help on how do everything at home without the need of a gym, 'cause that would be nice too.



Thanks again everyone for the replies so far :)
I feel optimistic.
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