Is this move clean?

g00d33 · Post by **g00d33** » 01 Jun 2008 08:43

Sorry if there's a pre-existing topic for this but i couldn't find it

So i was wondering if this was a legitimate/clean ducking butterfly rake. Any help would be appreciated

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqPIhwgYVpQ[/youtube]

Reid · Post by **Reid** » 01 Jun 2008 09:51

looks good to me, but the youtube quality isn't that great.

g00d33 · Post by **g00d33** » 01 Jun 2008 09:59

yeah, my only video taking source is currently my phone unfortunately

TheLast · Post by **TheLast** » 01 Jun 2008 15:32

looks clean

g00d33 · Post by **g00d33** » 01 Jun 2008 15:42

Alrighty, so how many adds would it be?

Post by **Zac Miley** » 01 Jun 2008 15:49

5. I don't think it's clean, it looks like you probably turned before you got any sort of dex.

Cool trick though.

g00d33 · Post by **g00d33** » 01 Jun 2008 16:03

Alright, thanks. I'll start practicing to make sure i get the dex

Jazzkid · Post by **Jazzkid** » 04 Jun 2008 07:00

add a pixie before the duck and you have a new 6 add

professor · Post by **professor** » 04 Jun 2008 08:25

Isilwar wrote:5. I don't think it's clean, it looks like you probably turned before you got any sort of dex.

If he has his leg up, turns, and his leg goes over the bag, it's still a dex. I say it's clean.

The vibe I get from you is that you never think anything is clean.

Post by **Zac Miley** » 04 Jun 2008 08:51

professor wrote:
The vibe I get from you is that you never think anything is clean.

Really?

Weird. I don't really think I'm that picky about tricks, but I just tell people if they're the or something. Obviously I'm not entirely certain on this trick, but I think he turned too early. Butterfly rakes are hard.

Maybe you get that vibe because all your tricks are the!! Oh snap!

professor · Post by **professor** » 04 Jun 2008 08:59

All your mom's tricks are the!

Post by **Zac Miley** » 04 Jun 2008 09:01

professor wrote:All your mom's tricks are the bomb!

mc · Post by mc » 04 Jun 2008 09:17

i thought it was clean.

g00d33 · Post by **g00d33** » 04 Jun 2008 11:42

alrighty, thanks everyone. I see where Zac is coming from with the turning. I think when i wait that extra moment for the dex, it ends up looking better/feeling cooler

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 04 Jun 2008 18:45

I think xbd rakes are inherently "the" but I think you hit the move as well as it could be

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*By "inherently 'the'" I mean that given the move is supposed to be >out dex> xbd toe stall> in dex - it's impossible (or at least nobody does it) to do this without turning 90 degrees, which negates the final dex. Clearly the definition of the move is wrong, and for what it's claiming to be, it's the. I absolutely realise that this is a pedantic and meaningless point, don't let it stop you hitting xbd rake moves. Just whoever invented them did a really bad job of notation.

Pancake Flogger · Post by **Pancake Flogger** » 04 Jun 2008 19:12

I've been on modified for a few months now and I'm just noticing all this 'the' business. Is it a new term? Does it mean simply unclean?

Moxie · Post by **Moxie** » 04 Jun 2008 19:23

""The": a term refered to describe dexterity moves where leg does not fully circle the bag. "The" dexterities do not count for ADDs."

mikeanello · Post by **mikeanello** » 05 Jun 2008 04:29

I always felt that cross-body rakes should not get a dexterity add. But they sure are stylie so please keep doing them.

BenRea · Post by **BenRea** » 05 Jun 2008 04:34

Moxie wrote:""The": a term refered to describe dexterity moves where leg does not fully circle the bag. "The" dexterities do not count for ADDs."

so does this mean you can get 3 adds for a 4 add move that has a the'd dex?

Mathochist · Post by **Mathochist** » 05 Jun 2008 15:11

mikeanello wrote:I always felt that cross-body rakes should not get a dexterity add.

I was about to correct you and say that they're not. I'm glad I double checked it with some research, though: http://www.footbag.org/newmoves/list/2

My confusion was that I let myself think somehow that there's a special type of body add type for carries, e.g. in osis (depending on how you like your osis done) and wrap. This seems to be what's going on in a rake: it's a delay that starts in one position, often cross body, and gets carried into another, the regular toe delay. But the damn footbag.org even classifies a wrap as having a dexterity. I guess "dexterity" didn't always have the arial flavor, i.e. as an add that happens while the bag is aloft, that I'm pretty sure any modern freestyler would consider essential to the dexterity add. To Jeremy, since I don't think anyone really considers a rake to involve a dex, I don't even think it's eligible to be "the," rather some other flavor of "unclean." Thems my thoughts.

Clearly .org needs some updating, but that's another discussion.

Anyway, on topic: I think it's clean. Also, please save up for a better camera.