Help me hit this, please!

pips · Post by **pips** » 30 Jun 2008 11:17

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FzvRhRIF8o[/youtube]
Stepping butterfly (Sidewalk, right?)

I see that I am a little slow at catching the bag, and I realized that I was closer to hitting the trick the closer I set the bag to myself. I feel very close to hitting the trick. Just thought you guys could help me out some if you want.

DLO is coming up next.

Thanks in advanced!

Alex Dworetzky · Post by **Alex Dworetzky** » 30 Jun 2008 13:07

dont pause before u do your stepping set

dan the man · Post by **dan the man** » 30 Jun 2008 13:10

and dont forget to practice flipside too

BenRea · Post by **BenRea** » 30 Jun 2008 13:54

if you set from toe to clipper and immediately go into the stepping set you will have a much better and higher set. esentially giving you a lot of pop. if you dont set the bag high enough the trick will be very unclean.

gMoney · Post by **gMoney** » 30 Jun 2008 17:13

I remember hearing that butterfly>stepping set was easier than just regular clipper, but I don't really notice a difference for me. It also looks like you should plant your feet just a little faster. But ultimately, it looks like you've almost got it and just need a little bit more practice and you'll hit it. Also, didn't Matt Cross post a stepping tutorial? Check that out if you haven't already for a couple more ideas.

Muffinman · Post by **Muffinman** » 30 Jun 2008 17:36

Definitely set from a different surface (even if from a hand-drop) and go straight into the set rather than holding the clipper. Notice how when you're holding the clipper beforehand how far out your clipper is from your body? The closer to your body your clipper is, the easier it will be to get your leg out of the way to the side (of course keep in mind, the closer to your body, too, the more likely you are to "pull" the dex.)

Watch people do stepping tricks in videos and slow-mo them. Pay attention to how far his/her clipper is from his/her body. Also pay attention to the movement in the support leg and in the cushioning of the initial clipper -- this is what Ben is talking about: giving you "bounce", or momentum.

Sergey · Post by **Sergey** » 01 Jul 2008 03:40

Set the bag from a drop-off, definitely not from a static posture because that's when your muscles use most of their energy and, thus, get tied quicker.

Other than that, make sure you have a very strong foundation before attempting this trick.

janis · Post by **janis** » 01 Jul 2008 06:44

IMHO it would be better to practice stepping same clipper first.

Wasabi · Post by **Wasabi** » 01 Jul 2008 08:02

Do not step from a static support leg. Keep in motion. Ben your support leg. Delay the bag on a flat clipper surface, with little to no sound. Land and plant your feet softly. Keep the delay as straight as possible.

Drill these first:

Clipper > ss mirage > rpt.
Stepping ss clipper
Stepping opp. clipper > rpt.

Anz · Post by **Anz** » 01 Jul 2008 08:14

What? Sepping clipper need faster footwork, making it harder than Sidewalk, so why the heck should one practice the harder move first?

1) Don't try it from freezed stall.
2) faster footwork, meaning that you bring your setting foot faster on ground and back up for the stall.

james · Post by **james** » 01 Jul 2008 08:54

Don't forget you need to have a solid stepping set to actually be in a position to nail the butterfly. You need to be over the bag (bodywise) after the set.
You also should to be able to drop the bag into a clipper and go right into a stepping set, without delay (no pun intended); as the others have been saying.

Practice other stepping moves (blur, same leg, same mirage etc) it will make your stepping set better and enable you to hit that move no prob!

mc · Post by mc » 01 Jul 2008 20:40

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jUFBPk1cg0[/youtube]

Jack Stutler · Post by **Jack Stutler** » 01 Jul 2008 20:55

very nice video matt

Beastie Bee · Post by **Beastie Bee** » 03 Jul 2008 07:39

Agree!!!

mc · Post by mc » 03 Jul 2008 08:42

thanks guys!

chrissy... ps: pay attention to the part where I show how NOT to do it.

I really think you should work on hitting (from clipper) ss butterfly > op butterfly repeat until you get 50 contacts.

set right above your belly button for every butterfly (not just in height, but also in location in terms of your body), and make sure that the leg that will dex the butterfly is off the ground and in dex position as the bag is still rising. on op butterfly (infinity), don't plant the set foot until after the dex. Make sure that each move has the same set height and takes the same amount of time to do.

once you can do this drill with strength, ease, and control, then you can turn it into sidewalk > infinity repeat. the rhythm of the rising and falling of the bag should be the same as ss butter > infinity repeat.

if you strengthen your foundation, this move will be nothing to you.

I'm sure that if you keep up like you're going, you'll eventually get the bag on your foot and it will come back up...

but you'd rather have control and string it, right?[/list]

Sergey · Post by **Sergey** » 04 Jul 2008 02:41

Anz wrote:What? Sepping clipper need faster footwork, making it harder than Sidewalk, so why the heck should one practice the harder move first?

I find stepping clipper much easier than sidewalk too.

pips · Post by **pips** » 04 Jul 2008 05:59

Wow, thanks for all of the replies.

I know that working from a static position is bad and have realized it more and more lately. I actually stop and try again if I sat there too long. I will try to do things instantly instead of pausing from now on. I think I do that to learn to control things easier (even more reason for you guys to say that I need to build my foundation

). Then I try to incorporate it into a short string. My video was in order by time, so that is why I went from static position to butterfly>sidewalk. And I guess that pause was to regain control. I guess I am not so ready for this trick, yet, and will try those drills you guys gave me before getting back to this. Thanks for all of the tips, and sorry for such a late reply. I got swamped with work and school this week. When I do get back to this, is stepping clipper a better trick to try for a first stepping trick?

Mathochist · Post by **Mathochist** » 05 Jul 2008 10:54

I'd like to play devil's advocate and add one more thought, although there's a good chance I'll catch some flack for this.

Drilling fundamentals is crucial for building and expanding a reliable trick set. That said, big tricks are fun. I've been playing for years now, and my fundamentals are just getting to where I should be learning stepping sets, and indeed, that's one of the things I'm training now. However, I hit my first ripwalk quite a while ago, because it was such a dream move for me. Same with torque. And even though right now in my game I'm focusing on form and fundamentals, I still like to hit one 5 or 6 per session. It's just plain fun. What I'm getting at here is that drills drills drills all day will payoff bigtime, but not if they make the sport no fun anymore, so stabbing at a bigger trick now and again isn't so bad.

Just be careful not to injure yourself!