Worlds 2008 final routines

acxel22 · Post by **acxel22** » 16 Aug 2008 23:53

Womens routine will be added at another day, I am about to leave the hotel and don`t know if I will have time for this in the next days.

Damian Gielnicki - 1st place
http://www.footbag.org/gallery/show/14874

Vasek Klouda - 2nd place
http://www.footbag.org/gallery/show/14876

Sergey Kozlov - 3rd place
http://footbag.org/gallery/show/14869

Serge Kaldany - ?th place
http://footbag.org/gallery/show/14870

Jan Weber - ?th place
http://www.footbag.org/gallery/show/14875

Milan Benda - ?th place
http://footbag.org/gallery/show/14871

Philip Morrison - ?th place
http://www.footbag.org/gallery/show/14872

Arek Dudzi - ?th place
http://www.footbag.org/gallery/show/14873

Hope everyone enjoys this.

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Eric Chang · Post by **Eric Chang** » 17 Aug 2008 00:16

Dude I totally beat you to it, only in reverse order WE ROCK!. Dude filming is such a bitch. What really sucks are the people that keep walking in front of the cameras...

Best part is when you actually walked forward to clear the walkway, and make sure that no one would get in front of you... Then finally a guy comes up and tries to walk in front of you... taking a longer route?

Splint · Post by **Splint** » 17 Aug 2008 02:27

I know I've been out of it for a while, but that is something seriously disappointing $h!t.

When I used to argue about such things, it was one of my biggest issues that routines get turned into shred 2 minute shreds. Damian's routine is a perfect example. His routine had little to no entertainment value. Vasek on the other hand, and Sergey too for that matter, have finally brought some entertainment back to routines by working so creatively with their music. Both of them went dropless and gave amazing performances. If I had to guess I'd say that Damian beat them out on unique tricks and maybe adds.

Sad. The performances are what I used to really like about competitions.

King Monkey · Post by **King Monkey** » 17 Aug 2008 02:55

Wow. All i have is Wow.

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 17 Aug 2008 03:52

I ranked Damian 3rd behind Vasek and Sergey Kozlov. 1 drop and not as much variety. Vasek's routine was still easily the best. Much better choreography, much better variety and no drops. Dropless vs 1 drop shouldn't even be a debate.

Webslinger · Post by **Webslinger** » 17 Aug 2008 05:32

Well, than it is good you guys did not judge because there was no question about Damian being 1st.

ptshredder · Post by **ptshredder** » 17 Aug 2008 05:41

Webslinger wrote:Well, than it is good you guys did not judge because there was no question about Damian being 1st.

agreed!

Sora · Post by **Sora** » 17 Aug 2008 05:51

One drop better the 2 dropless rutines... it's a little risk to say that.

Anyway, Vaseks rutines is the worst seen in a Worlds champs. Not so hard, no good conections, a lot of stops...

I even like much more Sergey than Twister. The last one repeats a lot of "stepin-buterfly, stepin-buterfly" and there's no so much rithm with the music. All teh oposite with Sergey who made a great rutine all with the music.

Twister made a hard rutine with a lot of adds, but Sergey did too a Ripsten, ripped warrior,... Hard too. Even with a dropless of twister will doubt the results.

I don't know, but I think no everybody will accept this exactly.

The realy is that all this 3 guys had made a great final

Congratulations to them.

Rieferman · Post by **Rieferman** » 17 Aug 2008 06:20

From the top 3, I would say Sergey, Twister, Vasek. Vasek's routine was just clearly off - lots of stops, bobbles, change ups (bails), no rhythm. Twister's was good, but Sergey had a really nice flow and hit some Q's in the music nicely with the alternating toe stall theme. Plus some harder tricks thrown in and he totally stuck his ending. And dropless. But what do I know.

Jorden · Post by **Jorden** » 17 Aug 2008 07:37

Jeremy wrote:Dropless vs 1 drop shouldn't even be a debate.

Now I've heard everything.

Sergey · Post by **Sergey** » 17 Aug 2008 07:51

Mathieu thank you so much for posting this!

I am a little disappointed with the results and think that Sergey Kozlov should have been placed 1st. To me, it seemed that Sergey had way more confidence performing his routine compared to Vasek and more variety and area use compared to Damian.

Vasek's routine reminds me of what he did for Tudexon '03. He also decided to go easy on himself and didn't end up being number one.

Damian's routine was well executed, but 1 drop vs. no drops should not even be a debate, I'm with Jeremy on this one.

Matt K · Post by **Matt K** » 17 Aug 2008 08:20

Who shouted "get out of the fucking way!" during Sergey's?

david · Post by **david** » 17 Aug 2008 08:20

Dropless vs. 1 drop not being a debate is an old school mentality that is quickly being brushed aside for more technically advanced routines. If you keep this idea in your head you will not only keep being puzzled by results, but you will also probably be pissed when you go dropless and some kid with 3 drops beats you.

When I started 5 years ago dropless was basically a surefire way to win because so few people were doing it. Now I think dropless has lost its mystique with it happening so many times at tournament (all 3 round last year by me for example, dan ednie in 2 rounds, etc.)

As for personal opinions of ranking I am unsure how I feel, but I am pretty much in line with the results that came out. I think few modified posters realize that in the moment of competition the routines are much different. I can't imagine what the judges had to go through and am happy I was not in their seats.

dc

Ian Brill · Post by **Ian Brill** » 17 Aug 2008 08:21

I would hate to be the judge in this event. Here are some thoughts, insights and observations.

You can't compare Vasek's performance against his previous performances when you are judging.

You can't say that because you have any inside knowledge of what his routine was supposed to look like that it should have any gravity for evaluating its final worth. The fact remains that what he presents us is what we have to assume is what he wants us to see. That knowledge is of no way relevant. Period.

There is room for debate between one drop and none. In my opinion having one drop and having none is world of difference. If you were to say to someone "It doesn't matter if you drop once. You can just keep it easy after you have accumulated some high-risk tricks" then you would be playing a radically different event than the one who values the integrity of the event, and only executes moves that they truly have mastered.

In my opinion Sergey was the clear winner. Despite the conditions of the floor (of which I have no true knowledge of, and can only speculate) he was able move around the entire area in distinct path, dominating the space, executing difficult moves on queue, displaying mastery of every trick he executed. There was no feeling of anxiety or desperation. If I had to guess I would say that he made his routine look too easy, and that he was deducted merit because he did not take the same level of risks that Gielnick took. Gielnick's risks, imo were just that. High-wage risks. And because he dropped we are not expected to assume that he demonstrated mastery.

I have a hard time determining who I feel deserved 2nd. Twister is one of my favorite players and I am particularly fond of his playing from other footage I have seen from this tournament. I am not convinced though that his performance really captured the spirit of the event. Vasek's routine really covered all of the criteria for a major event. We should not compare this routine to his previous past or to external, inside information of what he was going for.

As I said, I would hate to be the judge. I almost see Vasek as 1 but Sergey seemed so much more confident.

My favorite was Gielnick's routine because of the intensity. Much like Penske's in Worlds, 2007. But both individuals dropped. And I feel like that makes a world of difference, though not necessarily the whole thing.

I would like to add that from my perspective Sergey has received the short-end-of-the-stick repeatedly at this tournament. From my understanding he should have won circles competition as well but the judges did not intervene accordingly when he repeatedly passed back to Serge, despite his drops after completing his first tricks. I am left with the impression that Judging may not have been executed professionally at this event, though my view is skewed by the horror stories I am coming across about how the event was run.

The one good thing that may come of this could be some great introspection. Perhaps people will learn from the mistakes that were made, and perhaps more definitive terms for evaluating contests will come into effect.

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 17 Aug 2008 08:21

Jorden wrote:
Jeremy wrote:Dropless vs 1 drop shouldn't even be a debate.
Now I've heard everything.

Name another sport where that's not the case. Obviously within some reason, if Vasek and Sergey only did toe stalls it might be a far case, but if we try to stick with reality rather than absurd hypotheticals, both had more variety than Damian, more varied choreography, slightly less difficulty and were dropless. In gymnastics, figure skating, diving, even kayaking, the penalties for making one mistake cost you big time. How much harder is it to go 2 minutes without a drop, compared with having 1 drop?

Damian's routine is still a great routine, but it's mainly shuffle and he has that one drop.

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 17 Aug 2008 08:24

Matt K wrote:Who shouted "get out of the fucking way!" during Sergey's?

Yeah I found that really annoying as well. You'd hope that people could have enough respect for the performer at such events to be a little less self absorbed.

Ian Brill · Post by **Ian Brill** » 17 Aug 2008 08:37

Jeremy wrote:
Jorden wrote:
Jeremy wrote:Dropless vs 1 drop shouldn't even be a debate.
Now I've heard everything.
Name another sport where that's not the case. Obviously within some reason, if Vasek and Sergey only did toe stalls it might be a far case, but if we try to stick with reality rather than absurd hypotheticals, both had more variety than Damian, more varied choreography, slightly less difficulty and were dropless. In gymnastics, figure skating, diving, even kayaking, the penalties for making one mistake cost you big time. How much harder is it to go 2 minutes without a drop, compared with having 1 drop?

Damian's routine is still a great routine, but it's mainly shuffle and he has that one drop.

+1

Jeremy wrote:
Matt K wrote:Who shouted "get out of the fucking way!" during Sergey's?
Yeah I found that really annoying as well. You'd hope that people could have enough respect for the performer at such events to be a little less self absorbed.

+ 1

Eric Chang · Post by **Eric Chang** » 17 Aug 2008 11:28

I shouted get the fuck out of the way, camera men were boxing Sergey in and its just messed up.

Abe · Post by **Abe** » 17 Aug 2008 11:50

LOFA wrote: From my understanding he should have won circles competition as well but the judges did not intervene accordingly when he repeatedly passed back to Serge, despite his drops after completing his first tricks.

They actually changed the pass back rules for circles this year. If your second trick is completed, ie good upward motion on the bag, and you drop, no pass back. If you drop your second trick, or first, as in previous cases. You still get the pass back.

TheLast · Post by **TheLast** » 17 Aug 2008 12:52

well i won't really say anything about places becuase i'm not really good judging that routines, whatever..... bro really thanks for the videos you post them so quickly

! i can't wait to see sidelines

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