I was wondering how to judge the switch from being a beginner to being an intermediate player and whether i should start changing the way i practice so that its more structured and effective because as of now i dont really focus much on specific techniques and jus seem to freestyle without planning ahead. Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks again for the help guys
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The switch from beginner to intermediate.....
a beginner is someone who is learning a set of freestyle moves.
an intermediate is someone who has learned a set of freestyle moves and can use them in various combination to make controlled strings of more than just a handful of moves at a time.
I recommend that you learn to do all your delays (primarily toe, inside, and clipper both sides) so that you jump and the delay occurs *at the same time* as your support leg hits the ground. That will allow you to play into and out of delays (the essence of shred).
then, learn (all op side, and same side as well) - mirage, illusion, legover, pickup, butterfly (from toe and clipper) and osis, all BOTH SIDES. Then, make strings of those moves.
If you can hit 20 tiltless moves in a row with ease and bothsidedness, using variations of the above moves, and whatever other creative basic things you want to work on, like weird delays, pendulum, etc, then you can consider yourself a decent intermediate, and you should immediately begin shooting for 50 tiltless, and sets, spins, ducks, double dexes, symposium, and even more difficult delays.
how's that for a start?
if you work hard, and you've got the right equipment, and you pay attention to your form, and you truly aim to be bothsided, then you could probably get to that 20 tiltless mark in 2 months or so.
Start by saying, "today I am going to work on mirage". start with toe > op in > op toe; standard mirage. get it with your strong foot with good form and with ease, and then immediately learn the same move in the same form with your weak foot. then learn sameside mirage, toe > same in > op toe, strong side, then flip side. Then do repeating sameside mirage, so it switches feet back and forth. Then, do mirage > sameside mirage > repeat.
Once you get that, then move on to whatever else - you can learn another move, or you can have a good time and improvise. But if you really want to get to that decent intermediate level, you have to structure your learning a bit.
an intermediate is someone who has learned a set of freestyle moves and can use them in various combination to make controlled strings of more than just a handful of moves at a time.
I recommend that you learn to do all your delays (primarily toe, inside, and clipper both sides) so that you jump and the delay occurs *at the same time* as your support leg hits the ground. That will allow you to play into and out of delays (the essence of shred).
then, learn (all op side, and same side as well) - mirage, illusion, legover, pickup, butterfly (from toe and clipper) and osis, all BOTH SIDES. Then, make strings of those moves.
If you can hit 20 tiltless moves in a row with ease and bothsidedness, using variations of the above moves, and whatever other creative basic things you want to work on, like weird delays, pendulum, etc, then you can consider yourself a decent intermediate, and you should immediately begin shooting for 50 tiltless, and sets, spins, ducks, double dexes, symposium, and even more difficult delays.
how's that for a start?
if you work hard, and you've got the right equipment, and you pay attention to your form, and you truly aim to be bothsided, then you could probably get to that 20 tiltless mark in 2 months or so.
Start by saying, "today I am going to work on mirage". start with toe > op in > op toe; standard mirage. get it with your strong foot with good form and with ease, and then immediately learn the same move in the same form with your weak foot. then learn sameside mirage, toe > same in > op toe, strong side, then flip side. Then do repeating sameside mirage, so it switches feet back and forth. Then, do mirage > sameside mirage > repeat.
Once you get that, then move on to whatever else - you can learn another move, or you can have a good time and improvise. But if you really want to get to that decent intermediate level, you have to structure your learning a bit.
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I don't think there is a clear distinction between intermediate and beginner, or that you should change your training regime if you think you've crossed a barrier from one to the other.
In my training I try to do two things. Firstly I think about long term goals - large and general goals that I want to achieve in the distant future. At the moment these are things like being super consistent, being able to easily hit my harder spinning moves in runs consistently and consecutively, not having a flipside etc. These are the kinds of goals that I'll probably never be able to achieve at the level that I would I like, but you could see them as a vision for my future game.
Secondly I look at where my game is right now, today, and what specific aspects of it need improvement, especially in moving in the direction of those long term goals. This is how I decide what I actually drill in any particular session. So my long term vision is being able to hit things like big apple back to back, but because of the quality of my spins, what I'll end up working on in my training session today is consecutive gyro clippers.
So have a long term goal or goals for the future, but when you're training work on where your game currently is, and the parts of it that need the most work, and be very specific.
This is roughly the kind of training approach used by most serious athletes, and also in anything where people are endeavouring to improve (business, music, education etc.)
Don't worry about labels like "beginner" and "intermediate" - keep the same training routine no matter what level you're at, and although you should pay attention to what other people do and say, you should always have a training regime that is adapted to the specifics of your game and your goals, not other people's games or goals. The most important attribute you can have for dramatic improvement in any discipline is motivation, and you'll only achieve a high enough level of motivation if you're aiming in a direction that you want to go in.
At the same time, recognise that your approaches to achieving your long term goals might not be ideal, and that people with greater experience probably understand how to get to those end points better.
Hope this helps
In my training I try to do two things. Firstly I think about long term goals - large and general goals that I want to achieve in the distant future. At the moment these are things like being super consistent, being able to easily hit my harder spinning moves in runs consistently and consecutively, not having a flipside etc. These are the kinds of goals that I'll probably never be able to achieve at the level that I would I like, but you could see them as a vision for my future game.
Secondly I look at where my game is right now, today, and what specific aspects of it need improvement, especially in moving in the direction of those long term goals. This is how I decide what I actually drill in any particular session. So my long term vision is being able to hit things like big apple back to back, but because of the quality of my spins, what I'll end up working on in my training session today is consecutive gyro clippers.
So have a long term goal or goals for the future, but when you're training work on where your game currently is, and the parts of it that need the most work, and be very specific.
This is roughly the kind of training approach used by most serious athletes, and also in anything where people are endeavouring to improve (business, music, education etc.)
Don't worry about labels like "beginner" and "intermediate" - keep the same training routine no matter what level you're at, and although you should pay attention to what other people do and say, you should always have a training regime that is adapted to the specifics of your game and your goals, not other people's games or goals. The most important attribute you can have for dramatic improvement in any discipline is motivation, and you'll only achieve a high enough level of motivation if you're aiming in a direction that you want to go in.
At the same time, recognise that your approaches to achieving your long term goals might not be ideal, and that people with greater experience probably understand how to get to those end points better.
Hope this helps
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Matt - it's true that one can get to tiltless in a few months with enough hard work, but I'm wondering if that should be the suggested goal for beginners.
Personally I think I took the wrong path when I chose to focus on stringing tiltless rather than focusing on my form.
I think I would've been better off getting to a point where I do 20 tilts in a row (probably a combination of trick-stall-trick-stall) with good form than doing 20 tiltless where I compromise the form of my sets and stalls. I also personally think a controlled 20 tilt run is more impressive than a sloppy 20 tiltless run.
And to the original poster: I don't think there's a point in time where it's too early to practice smartly start doing it asap!
Personally I think I took the wrong path when I chose to focus on stringing tiltless rather than focusing on my form.
I think I would've been better off getting to a point where I do 20 tilts in a row (probably a combination of trick-stall-trick-stall) with good form than doing 20 tiltless where I compromise the form of my sets and stalls. I also personally think a controlled 20 tilt run is more impressive than a sloppy 20 tiltless run.
And to the original poster: I don't think there's a point in time where it's too early to practice smartly
start doing it asap!"Childhood is short, immaturity is forever"
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thanks for all the advice. i made the mistake of learning things i probably havent even should have tried because i skipped things like illusions. I shaped up my training though to follow Jeremy's advice on working on specific things i feel i need to improve so i have begun learning the basics i missed. I hope this post helps other newer players cuz i think it was all good advice! Thanks again for the help.
Motez
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I've had my lavers and 32-panel bags since February/March, tried to keep practice consistent (2-3 times a week), and still am nowhere near an intermediate level. Looks like I lack the discipline factor and consistency.
Currently practicing: ATW, Mirage, and Clipper to Clipper (eventually trying to do stepping but so far no good). Form is, sloppy at best.
Still, ever so slowly, I'm improving.
I've had my lavers and 32-panel bags since February/March, tried to keep practice consistent (2-3 times a week), and still am nowhere near an intermediate level. Looks like I lack the discipline factor and consistency.
Currently practicing: ATW, Mirage, and Clipper to Clipper (eventually trying to do stepping but so far no good). Form is, sloppy at best.
Still, ever so slowly, I'm improving.
Ross, is anyone playing in Ottawa these days?
If not, or even if they are, you should try to make a trip to Montreal when you can.
If not, or even if they are, you should try to make a trip to Montreal when you can.
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It makes no sense, either grammatically, or as advice to new players.
The first bit does - don't worry about adds. The second bit does not. Perhaps you meant to add in a "not" somewhere in that sentence. Don't worry about adds at all, and certainly don't worry about whether you've ever hit moves of a particular value or not. Use adds as a tool for you benefit, don't let them control how you play. If you work hard at getting solid basics and a balanced both sided toe/clipper game then you'll find high add value moves easy and you'll find yourself less likely to be injured. Very few people, especially high level footbaggers will be particularly impressed with you trying to hit moves for the sake of their add value (unless it's 9 adds or more), and it won't help your game at all.
The first bit does - don't worry about adds. The second bit does not. Perhaps you meant to add in a "not" somewhere in that sentence. Don't worry about adds at all, and certainly don't worry about whether you've ever hit moves of a particular value or not. Use adds as a tool for you benefit, don't let them control how you play. If you work hard at getting solid basics and a balanced both sided toe/clipper game then you'll find high add value moves easy and you'll find yourself less likely to be injured. Very few people, especially high level footbaggers will be particularly impressed with you trying to hit moves for the sake of their add value (unless it's 9 adds or more), and it won't help your game at all.
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