Jeremy wrote:I wouldn't describe it as "uncouth." I would concede that an argument could be made that it was a little thoughtless
unâ‹…couth
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–adjective
1. awkward, clumsy, or unmannerly: uncouth behavior; an uncouth relative who embarrasses the family.
2. strange and ungraceful in appearance or form.
3. unusual or strange.
I do admire your determination though. As a great Republican once said, "Always believe in something, even if it's wrong."
I'm aware of what the word means, and I still don't think it meets that definition. If I were at his funeral or some kind of memorial I would agree it could be considered unmannerly, but I don't accept that in the "kicking circle" on an internet forum, which is essentially just a water cooler. In those kinds of informal social situations saying "meh at celebrity "news"" or whatever my 4 words were are clearly socially acceptable and thus not unmannerly. If you were eating lunch at work and expressed sadness at his death and one of your colleagues said that he didn't care and it was a trivial media beat up, would you consider that a rude thing to say?
If you don't want to hear opposing opinions about issues, don't post them on a place like the kicking circle - People should be free to express exactly how they feel in topics like this.
Jeremy wrote:I'm aware of what the word means, and I still don't think it meets that definition. If I were at his funeral or some kind of memorial I would agree it could be considered unmannerly, but I don't accept that in the "kicking circle" on an internet forum, which is essentially just a water cooler. In those kinds of informal social situations saying "meh at celebrity "news"" or whatever my 4 words were are clearly socially acceptable and thus not unmannerly. If you were eating lunch at work and expressed sadness at his death and one of your colleagues said that he didn't care and it was a trivial media beat up, would you consider that a rude thing to say?
If you don't want to hear opposing opinions about issues, don't post them on a place like the kicking circle - People should be free to express exactly how they feel in topics like this.
You enter a conversation, and say something unmannerly ie. trivializing the death of the person in the conversation. Regardless of the medium, you have to think that's somewhat confrontational even on a minimal level.
You can't justify your actions simply by yelling free speech. There's an etiquette to every situation, especially ones involving conversation, and you've obviously crossed that etiquette with the people within the conversation, thus exhibiting uncouth (unmannerly and awkward) behavior.
4. I reserve the right to express my opinion on any topic on modified apart from other people's footblogs.
5. I would describe my comment as confrontational on a very minimal level, and trivial. When people post comments like that in topics where I want serious discussion, I ignore them.
6. What was the purpose of this topic? For a bunch of people to say "Rip MJ?" I guarantee that if I hadn't have said something that didn't conform with this, somebody else would have. Posting that on a footbag internet forum isn't a sign of respect.
Ugh...but you went on later to list why you felt that way. That his death really was unimportant in relation to World Politics and so forth.
Anyway, we're circumnavigating my original point which was that your comment was uninvited, unproductive towards the topic, awkward, and unmannerly given the context of the topic title.
Someone is expressing grief and you tell them you express apathy immediately after. It's simply an exhibition of unmannerly behavior. There's just no getting around that. Sure it's the internet, but ignoring the medium and taking both sentences in context, it's in poor form.
It's literally impossible to say that apathy exhibited toward someone who is grieving is following proper etiquette. Period.
It's literally impossible to say that apathy exhibited toward someone who is grieving is following proper etiquette. Period
Do you understand the meaning of the words you use?
Yep, but I don't think you do. You made a trivial comment about someone's death immediately after someone expressing grief, thus trivializing it. Like, the definition is right there, IN THE WORD. I don't know man, at this point we're just not speaking the same language I guess. Cheers.
edit: Okay, I see what you're getting at, you're nitpicking at my semantics around the word "literally" Obviously, you can say anything literally. I could say MJ is still alive and I would be "literally" saying that. But it doesn't mean the statement holds any merit.
It is clearly literally possible to say that apathy exhibited towards someone grieving is following proper etiquette.
Likewise in the context of world politics, Michael Jackson's death obviously is trivial. I don't think anybody has argued differently. To trivialise something does not mean to frame it in a context that demonstrates the insignificance of the event, it means to make light of or not take seriously. The people in this topic who have posted jokes and cartoons have trivialised the issue, I have not. Saying something is trivial is not the same as trivialising it.
I have a good quote about manners from an expert on manners, but you'll have to wait until I get home.
Jeremy wrote:Saying something is trivial is not the same as trivialising it.
Yes, yes it is. It's the very definition of it.
trivâ‹…iâ‹…alâ‹…ize
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–verb (used with object), -ized, -iz⋅ing. to make trivial; cause to appear unimportant, trifling, etc.
You made his death trivial by making a trivial comment about it, and not taking it seriously. You literally (and this time I mean literally haha) trivialized it, whether it was intentional or not.
Why can't you just accept the fact that you said a jerk-ass thing in a thread that you never should of clicked on?
So you don't like celebrity news? Then skip the one fucking line on the modified forum that was celebrity news and move the fuck on? Would that have been so difficult? Not for a capable human being. But no... not Jeremy, savior of the universe. He has to stick his nose where it shouldn't be and post rude comments. It was pointless and petty of you, and you're trying to argue your way out. Nothing you have said in your 4 pages and 6 videos changes the fact that you chose to click the title that you clearly have no interest in and then chose to post you lame comment.
There is a time and place for everything. Is MJ's death important on the world political scene? No. Did the OP ever try to say it was? No. I don't understand where you got that idea.
If your qualm is indeed SOLELY with the news coverage, cool, and like Jamieson had mentioned, there's plenty more where that came from. But...I guess I'm confused how the news-coverage itself has anything to do with Nick's nod to MJ's passing.
If your post wasn't off-topic, and you wanted to convey that you straight-up just don't care that MJ is dead, that's something different. That's being a dick.
I understand that you didn't know him personally, and his death may not have affected you in any way...but it's not like you'd show up at a funeral and say, "Yeah, I didn't really know the guy so who cares."
