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Im sure tons of people ask the question im about to ask but first off I'm curios of the exact meanings of some of the names, especially “paradox.â€
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Ill try for the answers:

Paradox [PDX]: This a often-debated concept; tricks that get paradox have a far full dexterity (the dexing leg completes a full 360 of the bag in the air). Im sure that is a woefully inadequate explanation so i hope someone posts a better one. Consider examples: Clipper set Mirage (the dex done with the opposite leg to the one that set the bag), versus Paradox Mirage (the dex is done with the same leg that set the bag). Also Whirl (clipper set to opposite leg in to out dex, to opposite foot clipper) compared to Paradox Whirl (clipper set to same foot in to out dex, to opposite foot clipper.

Symposium: Tricks involving symposium have a point at which a dexterity is performed with your leg where you jump from the ground without your opposite foot touching the ground. If you consider a Mirage for instance, you set the bag off your right foot, and this foot immediately touches the ground, allowing you to raise your left leg to dex the bag, before catching again on your right foot. With a Symposium Mirage, your right foot that set the bag must not touch the ground before you bring your left leg up to dex the bag. I hope this helps, just try to perform the above example yourself and you will see.

Swirl: An ATW set and caught on a clipper.

Unusual Surface [UNS]: Some places where you catch the bag are considered unusual and so get an additional Add. The Usual Surfaces are Toe and Inside, so unsual ones are the outside surface of the shoe, the sole of the shoe.

XDEX: This is an Add component given to multiple dex moves. You get one XDEX Add for each full dex after the first full dex. So consider Atomic Mirage (Toe set to opposite leg out to in dex, to opposite leg in to out dex, to opposite leg toe stall). The second dex of this trick is full because of the way your body shifts within the move, the leg has to come 360 degrees around the bag to complete the trick, so it gets an XDEX add. This Add is not universally applied i dont think, you will learn what tricks do and dont get it.

Triple Pixie (Trixie): Yep its been done by several people.

Black Hole: Havent heard of it but with that much detail in the Jobs i assume it has been done. It sounds doable.

Big Fish: This has been done by Michal Biarda of Poland. The part you underlined is Rooted, which is a version of some sets like Pixie. Consider a piixie set (ATW set). When you do it normally your toe is off the ground. When you do it 'rooted', the foot is planted on the ground and your opposite foot is off the ground, making it much more difficult to get a set out of it.

Hope this made sense/helped.
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so in a Symposium Mirgae, your setting foot, (Right with left going over and catch back on right) wouldnt touch the ground at all really...

or you could set with right foot and then go over with right and catch left left toe... which i am sure is incorrect.

PDX makes some sence, but then would a double ATW be a Paradox always? the second dex is for sure a full rotation. The Paradox whirl makes alot of sence, you are circling the bag the full 360 for sure. I see how its debated already though...

So rooted is like the bag is stalled on your planted foot, or foot on the ground... Can you have both feet on the ground and complete a rooted pixie?

And 1 more question :P, How important are good insoles and where would you suggest i get some? ( i wear size 10 shoes).. well, I got some free ones that "Fit all sizes" and they are pretty small, and definatly not full support like the Spenco "Full support" ones on Freedomfootbags...

and one more question, how important are quality insoles and where would you suggest i should get some... and i have a size 10 foot so yeahhhhhh =) thanks

Yeah that helped alot actually, thanks for your reply.
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You are right about Symposium Mirage, and you could also do it as you suggest by dexing with the right leg, but its harder. With left leg planted you throw the bag from your right foot, then you immediately plant the right foot and lift your left leg, then jump off your right leg while the left leg remains in the air, do the dex with the right leg, and catch on your left toe. This is Same side Symp Mirage (ss Symp Mirage).

Sorry, something i forgot RE: PDX, it can only be from clipper. I have a feeling also, that the catch must be on the foot opposite to that which does the set and dex. So clipper-set DATW is not paradox, but if you did a clipper set DATW and caught it on the opposite foot to the one that did the dex, it would get Paradox (it would be Paradox Barrage or Paradox Delusion depending on the dex direction). However if you did clipper set DATW and dexed with the opposite foot to the one that set it, it would not get Paradox (it would be a Barrage, or Clipper set Double Pickup/Double Switchover depending on the dex direction).

I believe you could do rooted pixie with both feet on the ground but it would be more difficult i guess, but ive never done this kind of trick.

Good insoles can be very important. Some people always play with the stock insoles, but in shoes like Lavers this is not reccommended because they are shit. You should def get some Spencos or similar good support innersoles, because it will help your foot land properly and support your weight properly, thereby saving your knees from taking as much awkward and hard impacts.
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outside stalls do not get unusual surface add anymore, sad but true

rooted cannot be done with both legs planted, to imagine rooted think of the bag on the right foot on the ground and the other foot not touching the ground, now to do a rooted pixie you would have to jump with the right foot and dex with the right foot and land on the right foot without using the left foot, kind of confusing but here is big fish, look as he does the rooted pixie atomic:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHV-EBll ... annel_page[/youtube]

Now don't start saying i rooted a stall when catching it with the foot planted, rooted is a way of setting a bag not catching it.

As for paradox - http://www.footbag.org/faq/show/946841719 should explain a few things

As for xdex - http://modified.in/footbag/viewtopic.php?t=5187 and for the topic on discussion of why we should or shouldnt use xdex - http://modified.in/footbag/viewtopic.php?t=147

Look on http://hackrifice.com/tutorials.html they have a variety of moves with videos


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Who decided outside stalls dont get an UNS add?
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